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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 09.07.13 19:03, Chaitanya Dhareshwar
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<div>Wouldnt the infinite combinations reduce the value of
domains to dust? This would destroy the domain trading
marketplaces in minutes. It'll also eliminate squatters which
is good, but on the other side... not so good. Just my 2c. </div>
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By the way, domain names (and IP addresses for that matter) never
had any value as such. These are just strings of characters and
numbers, respectively. <br>
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It is the management of the domain that creates any value. Therefore
a well managed 'somename' in .mediocretld might be way more valuable
than 'somename' in poorly managed .greattld. The value in domain
names is not 'natural' -- it comes from someone's hard work.<br>
This by the way is a good answer to someone who claims domain names
are 'natural resource' and therefore subject to deliberate
regulation.<br>
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From another perspective, amazon.com is only "good" because of all
the infrastructure behind it. If they chose so at the time, the same
infrastructure could sit behind say garbage.com and the "name" would
be just as attractive. 'amazon' in this case is not even an
'telling' word, they could have used 'onlinetrading', no? :)<br>
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Daniel<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 9:02 PM, Mawaki
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can have all kind of combinations.<br>
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What about .zon? Then you can have ama.zon. What
about .nia nd go for patago.nia, alba.nia,
tanza.nia.<br>
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<div>Exactly!!! So that all the fuss about TLDs,
trademarks and geographic names will become history,
and ICANN will be much less about creating new
rights or protecting vested interests! And then we
can focus more on actual infrastructure and usage
issues.</div>
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Just playing with words :-))))<br>
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im Auftrag von Mawaki Chango<br>
Gesendet: Di 09.07.2013 16:00<br>
An: Internet Governance<br>
Betreff: Re: [governance] NTIA on certain
geographic names...<br>
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Hey,<br>
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Just one crazy idea... Since domain names are
not supposed to be trademarks or brand names,
why should we/ICANN care about the integrity
of a brand name at any given level (primary,
secondary, etc.) of the DNS? In other words,
we should be able to solve that problem by
allowing ourselves to have domain names such
as these:<br>
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geo.amazon<br>
co.amazon<br>
geo.patagonia<br>
co.patagonia<br>
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Why not? Especially if the Co's are just going
to use their brand gTLD only for their
corporate needs, and not to provide domain
name registration to the public.<br>
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Thanks, Avri, for the refreshing and update,
which is helpful. Since I left the GNSO
Council I've unfortunately had too many other
things to read than ICANN's outputs, so wasn't
so sure how much of those early ideas made it
to the final policy. At least this gives me
the illusion that I can still rely on my
memory. The problem you're pointing to is a
real problem with ICANN processes whereby a
policy development process can take 5 years
and more (how long for the Whois policy?), so
much so that by the time it gets to
implementation most of the people who
participated in the design/development process
are no longer around and their say, if and
when they care to comment, is not given as
much attention as it would have, had they
still been in office/representation.<br>
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Mawaki<br>
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It makes sense to me that
national sovereignty does not provide for
any exclusive rights over the use of names
of places or words of a language, even if
that language is only spoken in one country
on earth. However, the people living in
those places (eg, cities) should have a say
in one form or the other, to the extent that
the name at hand unambiguously or
presumptively designates one such place or
that the TLD string is meant to do so. In
other terms, this should be the business of
the local community, not the central
government<br>
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Geographic names are a minefield.
Paris, Texas; anyone?<br>
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But the ICANN process decided (as it
has before with countries) to use ISO lists.
Although when I asked at an ICANN meeting,
staff could not produce a copy of the list
so that we could understand what it was we
were potentially agreeing to.<br>
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However, ISO (being to some extent
based on places you might want to mail a
letter to) does not recognise 'non-sovereign
regions' like Scandinavia or Patagonia.<br>
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It does, however, recognise regions
within countries, like Delta (in Nigeria)
which creates an instant conflict with a
well known airline.<br>
--<br>
Roland Perry<br>
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