[governance] Towards an IGC Statement on RFC 6852 "Affirmation of the Modern Paradigm for Standards"
William Drake
william.drake at uzh.ch
Mon Jan 28 20:11:14 EST 2013
Milton
On Jan 28, 2013, at 2:52 PM, Milton L Mueller <mueller at syr.edu> wrote:
> How are standardization processes irrelevant to IGF?
> My organization has sponsored workshops on DNSSEC and RPKI/BGPSEC, both of which involve IETF standards. Many other organizations, including EFF and CDT, have highlighted the nexus between standards and governance.
Nobody is contending standards are not relevant to governance or the IGF. (?!) Some of us think the IGC should focus first on contributing to the IGF consultation process, which it has not always managed to do. It's a bandwidth issue.
>
> Either we endorse the statement or we don’t. IF we endorse it and submit it to the consultation, it’s relevant.
The consultation is about the Bali agenda. If we want to make a contribution saying standards should feature prominently on the Bali agenda and attach a statement about the IETF as an illustration of why then that would be relevant, yes. However, it's not obvious from the conversation thus far that assembling a consensual statement on IETF will be easy to do.
BD
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> From: governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org [mailto:governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org] On Behalf Of William Drake
> Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 5:38 PM
> To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org; Adam Peake
> Subject: Re: [governance] Towards an IGC Statement on RFC 6852 "Affirmation of the Modern Paradigm for Standards"
>
> Hi
>
> I agree with Adam. The IGC was created to provide input into the WSIS and then the IGF. If it runs off and chases other agendas of interest to co-cos or others (cybersecurity, IETF etc.) while neglecting its original reason for being, isn't that sort of doing a disservice to all those who've put a lot of time and energy in over the years trying to get the IGF to work and bake in civil society participation? And if the IGC doesn't consistently provide solid inputs to the IGF consultations, why should governments and other stakeholder groups think it's a player they need to work with when making deals, including in the MAG? In fact, why shouldn't the UN look to other organizations and networks to provide more civil society nominees etc. If the IGC makes itself look irrelevant to the IGF, it will increasingly be treated as such.
>
> Bill
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>
>
>
> On Jan 27, 2013, at 4:01 AM, Adam Peake <ajp at glocom.ac.jp> wrote:
>
> > Please, just focus. There's a hard deadline for a contribution to the
> > IGF (which we missed last year). Meet that and come back to the RFC.
> >
> > Adam
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Jan 27, 2013 at 8:33 PM, Norbert Bollow <nb at bollow.ch> wrote:
> >> [with IGC coordinator hat on]
> >>
> >> Adam Peake <ajp at glocom.ac.jp> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Norbert, thanks for trying, but to be frank, why bother?
> >>
> >> Because standards development is very much at the core of Internet
> >> governance, and it is important for IGC to engage, to the extent that
> >> consensus is possible, also on such core issues, and not just on more
> >> peripheral questions like e.g. the choice of discussion topics for the
> >> next Internet Governance Forum.
> >>
> >>> In the couple of days since RFC 6852 was mentioned we've seen almost
> >>> equal support/opposition for statement.
> >>
> >> That is not accurate. We have seen praise for RFC 6852 as well as
> >> criticism. This is no reason to not at least try to incorporate both in
> >> a statement.
> >>
> >>> And if the caucus does produce something will it make any difference?
> >>
> >> That will depend on the actual content of the statement, and on how
> >> convincing it is written, and on whether it will get promoted in
> >> contexts where it can make a difference. The Caucus has several members
> >> who have the right kind of contacts.
> >>
> >>> Could we please focus on core issues.
> >>
> >> This is a core issue.
> >>
> >> Greetings,
> >> Norbert
> >>
> >>> On Sun, Jan 27, 2013 at 5:10 PM, Norbert Bollow <nb at bollow.ch> wrote:
> >>>> [with IGC Coordinator hat on]
> >>>>
> >>>> Let's develop an IGC Statement on this RFC 6852 "Affirmation of the
> >>>> Modern Paradigm for Standards" [1].
> >>>> [1] http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6852
> >>>>
> >>>> I'll be willing to serve as editor if no-one else volunteers, but
> >>>> I'd prefer for someone else to take on this role.
> >>>>
> >>>> Who would like to volunteer?
> >>>>
> >>>> Greetings,
> >>>> Norbert
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Stephane Bortzmeyer <bortzmeyer at internatif.org> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>>> It is a good document.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> No, it's not.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> It refers only to business uses of the Internet, as if the Internet
> >>>>> were not used for many other things. It was recorded as a comment
> >>>>> by some IETF members
> >>>>> <http://trac.tools.ietf.org/group/iab/trac/ticket/193> but was
> >>>>> ignored.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> It calls for access to the standard documents but it is
> >>>>> hypocritical since one of the signers, IEEE, does not allow it
> >>>>> <http://trac.tools.ietf.org/group/iab/trac/ticket/213> (ITU, the
> >>>>> main target of this RFC, does distribute its standards online for
> >>>>> a few years.)
> >>>>>
> >>>>> It refers to open and transparent processes but the IETF members
> >>>>> discovered this document when it was already signed, and
> >>>>> impossible to modify.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
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