[governance] Appeal request Re: [] Updates on MAG 2013

[michael gurstein]

+1

M

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From: izumiaizu at gmail.com [mailto:izumiaizu at gmail.com] On Behalf Of Izumi
AIZU
Sent: Monday, January 07, 2013 2:42 AM
To: governance; parminder
Subject: Re: [governance] Appeal request Re: [] Updates on MAG 2013

Dear all, as already retired from co-co, I still feel a good deal of
responsibility for some issues in this thread.

I also like to point out that the current Appeals Team's term in theory is
for 2012, and we are already into 2013. As we know, the selection of 2012
Appeals Team was late and only seated in late July last year.

So I am in favor of making 2012 Appeals team to be in charge for another 6
months should the list, and the Team members agree with.

Yet, if we agree with this flexible interpretation of the Charter for the
Appeals Team, allowing the past NomCom to be in charge of MAG renewal
nomination would not deserve for the Appeals team to investigate if the
Coordinator's decision is abuse and in violation of the Charter.

We are not doing the perfect job as a whole group, and I do understand
fixing these issues are all important, but I don't think going straight to
the appeal process for abuse when there is only one coordinator is not the
best way forward.

My suggestion is, use the past NomCom for this MAG selection, start discuss
the Charter amendment right after the new coordinator is seated.

best,

izumi


2013/1/7 parminder <parminder at itforchange.net>:
>
> On Monday 07 January 2013 11:38 AM, Avri Doria wrote:
>>
>> On 6 Jan 2013, at 22:24, Adam Peake wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Avri,
>>>
>>> Could you explain why an abuse.  You've been something of a master 
>>> of the caucus' charter, would be good to understand more before 
>>> +1'ing or not.
>>>
>>> Thank you,
>>>
>>> Adam
>>
>> the Nomcom process, included by reference as part of the charter says:
>>
>>> Each nomcom will be selected for a specific decision and will be 
>>> disbanded after the decision is made.However, in special cases where 
>>> several different nominating committees would need to be completed 
>>> in a shortened time frame that did not allow for multiple nominating 
>>> committees, the co-coordinators may jointly request one nominating 
>>> committee to fill several functions.
>>
>> The request for a Nomcom to fulfill several tasks is an a-prioir 
>> requirement, not something that can be done a-posteriori as in "oh 
>> my, we knew we needed to set up a nomcom but dod not get around to 
>> it, so lets just make the last nomcom do it"
>
>
> I agree. and in addition there is also the need to meet the condition 
> of their being a 'shortened time frame' that does not allow for 
> multiple nomcoms to overrule the basic requirement that " Each nomcom 
> will be selected for a specific decision and will be disbanded after 
> the decision is made." With many months gone since the nomcom did its 
> work, this condition is also not met.
>
> I know that contextual flexibilities are often required but, Sala, you 
> have not explained to me why it takes much more time to get a new 
> nomcom out or an existing set of volunteers, with a 2 day opt out/ out in
window...
>
> The problem with arbitrariness, or taking the view that the earlier 
> noncom worked well (or even worse, produced good results), is that at 
> some time it can abused by those who for the wrong reason may want to 
> continue with one or the other nomcom. Therefore, as far as possible, 
> it is best not to build precedents that can be mis used in the future....
>
> Also, Sala, I did not understand what is to be proposed to be included 
> in the vote for new co-coordinator with regard to the nomcom. Can you 
> please elaborate.
>
> parminder
>
>
>
>
>> We discussed  changing to the charter to make it possible to have a 
>> nomcom per year.  But we never got around to doing anything about it.  
>> To do so now on the whim of a single coordinator is an abuse of power by
the coordinator.
>>
>> We knew that MAG nominations would be required at the beginning of 
>> the year, but we did nothing about it.
>>
>> We have gotten into the habit of ignoring the charter and just doing 
>> things in an ad-hoc manner when all of a sudden we realize we are 
>> very late getting ourselves into gear.
>>
>> This habit of ignoring the charter in favor of coordinator last 
>> minute urges is what I view as a charter abuse.  Deciding to 
>> reactivate a disbanded nomcom is an ad-hoc replacement of process.  
>> Better we miss submitting names than that we bless this current 
>> regime of neglect by our coordinators with further last minute ad-hoc
process.
>>
>> If we keep it up this way, we will be ignoring our processes as much 
>> as ICANN has begun to ignore its processes.
>> And that is no way to participate in the IGF.
>>
>> In any case, that is what the Appeals team is for.  If 4 members of 
>> the IGC request a review, they get one.
>>
>> avri
>>
>> BTW, with the irregularities in the last election I am not sure 
>> whether I am a member or not.  Hence my request for 4 co-requestoers 
>> - just in case the powers that be decide to invalidate my request.  
>> Another issues that was never dealt with by our co-coordinators.
>>
>>
>> avri
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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