[governance] Fwd: Why do US and EU trade negotiators hate the Berne Copyright Limitations and Exceptions? | Knowledge Ecology International

Suresh Ramasubramanian suresh at hserus.net
Thu Feb 21 01:55:27 EST 2013 

A big difference between the two. Ideology is driven by a relatively 
blind belief system. Philosophy takes more facts into account, even if 
they conflict with ideology.

--srs (htc one x)



On 21 February 2013 12:04:10 PM Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro 
<salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com> wrote:
> On the contrary, policy is driven by philosophy or ideology.
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Feb 21, 2013, at 5:54 PM, Suresh Ramasubramanian <suresh at hserus.net> wrote:
>
> > A perception of what different groups or individuals feel is the 
> global public interest, more like?
> >
> > Ideology and policy, especially on the Internet, are a very bad mix. 
> And I doubt you will get consensus on what constitutes global public interest.
> >
> > --srs (iPad)
> >
> > On 21-Feb-2013, at 11:15, Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro 
> <salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> It is interesting when advocacy in relation to global public 
> interest is labelled as left/South.
> >> Civil society is seen as a watchdog and where it is told to stop 
> speaking or expressing its views because they are "left" then there is 
> a danger of being innoculated from subtle threats that affect what we 
> hold dear, an open and free Internet.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPad
> >>
> >> On Feb 21, 2013, at 1:14 PM, Suresh Ramasubramanian 
> <suresh at hserus.net> wrote:
> >>
> >>> I dont dispute that.  My sole point is that there's little or no 
> connection from these to internet governance, and there are plenty of 
> other fora where the rest of it gets extensively discussed - quite a 
> few exclusively from a "south" / "left" etc perspective as well, if 
> that's a criterion that some seek.
> >>>
> >>> --srs (iPad)
> >>>
> >>> On 21-Feb-2013, at 4:04, Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro 
> <salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> In essence, we live in a vast interconnected world and with 
> something like the Internet, there are a plethora of issues that stem 
> from the way that Internet is structured and the various regulatory 
> mechanisms, diverse jurisdictional treatment etc.
> >>>>
> >>>> From a global public interest, it is in the interest of civil 
> society to she informed of how various shifts in policies, laws, market 
> behaviour, Internet architecture can affect the ordinary user.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Sent from my iPad
> >>>>
> >>>> On Feb 21, 2013, at 8:59 AM, Suresh Ramasubramanian 
> <suresh at hserus.net> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> The "application to cyberspace" part seems to be missing in that 
> the frameworks being discussed are not specific to online copyright theft.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Even there, the wgig report does seem to over stretch the igov 
> definition to a considerable extent.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> --srs (iPad)
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On 21-Feb-2013, at 0:42, "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" 
> <salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 2:09 AM, Suresh Ramasubramanian 
> <suresh at hserus.net> wrote:
> >>>>>>> Hi, is there an internet governance angle to this that I 
> somehow missed?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> --srs (iPad)
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Th WGIG 2005 Report identified Intellectual Property as an 
> Internet Governance thematic area. See page 7:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> "23. Intellectual property rights (IPR)
> >>>>>> Application of intellectual property rights to cyberspace.
> >>>>>> • While there is agreement on the need for balance between the 
> rights of holders and the rights of users, there are different views on 
> the precise nature of the balance that will be most beneficial to all 
> stakeholders, and whether the current IPR system is adequate to address 
> the new issues posed by cyberspace. On the one hand, intellectual 
> property rights holders are concerned about the high number of 
> infringements, such as digital piracy, and the technologies developed 
> to circumvent protective measures to prevent such infringements; on the 
> other hand, users are concerned about market oligopolies, the 
> impediments to access and use of digital content and the perceived unbalanced."
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>  Intellectual Property touches virtually every layer of the 
> Information Infrastructure and layer of Internet Architecture, consider 
> Verisign's Patent Application for Domain Name Transfers and other 
> issues stemming from Digital Rights Management Systems and the use of 
> Piracy Filters.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> For human rights advocates, the use of piracy filters can just 
> as easily be used to filter content arbitrarily and where do you draw 
> the line. The criminalization of things like breaking digital locks on 
> software etc.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> The threats with the TPP is that there is a massive transition 
> from being mere Traffic providers to policing the internet. The Berne 
> Convention of course is one of the long standing international legal 
> instruments that are widely accepted globally so by extension it is relevant.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> There are many links that you can go to see the link between IP 
> and the Internet and here are just three:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> http://www.cisco.com/web/about/gov/issues/ip_rights.html
> >>>>>> https://www.eff.org/search/site/Trans%20Pacific%20partnership
> >>>>>> 
> http://www.circleid.com/posts/20121011_perspective_on_verisign_patent_application_on_domain_transfers/
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On 20-Feb-2013, at 18:57, riaz.tayob at gmail.com wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> > Using a treaty for the blind to push 3 strikes..
> >>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>> >> http://keionline.org/node/1655
> >>>>>>>
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