[governance] Re: Results of IGC Charter Amendment Poll

David Allen David_Allen_AB63 at post.harvard.edu
Sat Feb 16 15:36:49 EST 2013 

Let me concur, that 'not getting the vote we want' simply cannot be  
grounds used by a valid democracy.  As much as the sound reasons for  
taking steps, toward a different outcome, are also appreciated fully.

Hence, there will be some workable path.

David


On Feb 16, 2013, at 2:56 PM, Avri Doria wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Ian, I really really want to agree with you.
>
> Unfortunately Adam is right, we don't want to set a precedent for  
> the rerunning of a vote whenever we don't get the vote we want.   
> People might not be voting because they don't care or even because  
> they don't agree.
>
> I think that if the IGC wishes to re-vote, it should be able to  
> decide to do so.  I think calling for a discussion on that and  
> perhaps the substance of the amendment might be a better process to  
> go through.  And if we do go to vote again, we should plan on a  
> longer period and should work with the co-cordinators to make sure  
> we get out enough votes.  I am not even sure most of the voters  
> understood the quorum requirement.
>
> Had the co-cordinators decided to lengthen the ballot before knowing  
> the vote because they saw we were not reaching 'quorum,' I would  
> have applauded their attention to the details and supported the  
> lengthened call.  Since that did not happen, I really do not support  
> continuing the vote, though I do think it is reasonable to discuss a  
> re-vote in the IGC, see if there is consensus on a re-vote and open  
> up the proposed amendment for more discussion.  For myself, I know  
> in my vote there was one amendment I did not understand well enough  
> to be  either for or against.  Perhaps I am not alone.
>
> avri
>
>
>
> On 16 Feb 2013, at 14:35, Ian Peter wrote:
>
>> sorry if my last message wasn't clear - I am in favour of counting  
>> the existing votes as valid, and just looking to boost the numbers  
>> of votes count, rather than running the whole process again.
>>
>> Ian
>>
>> -----Original Message----- From: Adam Peake
>> Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2013 6:27 AM
>> To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org ; Ian Peter
>> Cc: Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro
>> Subject: Re: [governance] Results of IGC Charter Amendment Poll
>>
>> Agree it would be helpful to know how many votes.
>>
>> But before re-doing the vote (how many times, until 'we' get the
>> result we want?), could we have the amendments presented again.  With
>> time for discussion, and then see if again there is support to hold a
>> vote.
>>
>> Adam
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Feb 17, 2013 at 4:18 AM, Ian Peter <ian.peter at ianpeter.com>  
>> wrote:
>>> Hi Sala,
>>>
>>> How many votes short are we of a positive result?
>>>
>>> That would determine perhaps the best way to go.
>>>
>>> In this case I dont think there is any great risk in re-opening  
>>> the vote to
>>> get extra responses. The results in each ballot are clearly in  
>>> favour of the
>>> reforms, the will of the caucus seems clear, it’s just a  
>>> technicality that
>>> we have not had enough responses. (I would feel differently if on  
>>> any of the
>>> ballots the no votes were roughly equivalent to the yes votes)
>>>
>>> So I would suggest re-opening the ballot to allow those who havent  
>>> voted to
>>> do so – accompanied by encouragement and reminders.
>>>
>>> Ian
>>>
>>> From: Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro
>>> Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2013 10:17 PM
>>> To: Ian Peter
>>> Cc: governance at lists.igcaucus.org
>>> Subject: Re: [governance] Results of IGC Charter Amendment Poll
>>>
>>> Dear Ian and All,
>>>
>>> You are correct. I apologize to the IGC for the oversight, the  
>>> mistake is
>>> mine.
>>>
>>> As such, we currently have two options and they are:-
>>>
>>> Option 1
>>> Accept from the votes that all the proposals have failed based on  
>>> the
>>> results of the votes.
>>>
>>> Option 2
>>> Re-run the votes
>>>
>>>
>>> If we take Option 2, we run the risk of setting a precedent for  
>>> extending
>>> voting periods for other things that require voting including  
>>> coordinator
>>> elections. Should we consider the current votes invalid and cast  
>>> fresh votes
>>> or extend the votes.
>>>
>>> In any event, the current revisions to the Charter that are on the  
>>> website
>>> will be reversed to reflect what it originally was.
>>>
>>> For the sake of completeness, the record of the votes is as follows:
>>>
>>> 76 responses were submitted, though some respondents did not  
>>> answer all
>>> questions, as none of them were compulsory.
>>>
>>> On proposal 1, 70 voted in favour, 4 against, and 2 did not vote.
>>> On proposal 2, 62 voted in favour, 5 against, and 9 did not vote.
>>> On proposal 3, 71 voted in favour, 2 against, and 3 did not vote.
>>> On proposal 4, 65 voted in favour, 3 against, and 8 did not vote.
>>>
>>> Thank you and Kind Regards,
>>> Sala
>>>
>>> On Sat, Feb 16, 2013 at 9:59 AM, Ian Peter  
>>> <ian.peter at ianpeter.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Sala, are you sure?
>>>>
>>>> The charter amendment process states that it is 2/3 of membership  
>>>> required
>>>> for charter amendments, not 2/3 of those who bothered to vote. My
>>>> understanding is that none of the votes result in charter  
>>>> amendments,
>>>> because none of them had over 2/3 of members supporting. The  
>>>> relevant
>>>> charter quote is below.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Amendments to the Charter
>>>>
>>>> This charter can be amended at any time as proposed by no fewer  
>>>> than ten
>>>> (10) members and as approved by no less than two-thirds (2/3) of  
>>>> the members
>>>> of the IGC. The membership requirements for amending the charter  
>>>> are based
>>>> on the most currently available voters list. In amending the  
>>>> charter,
>>>> everyone who voted in the previous election will be deemed a  
>>>> member for
>>>> amending the charter.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> (perhaps it should be different but it isn’t on my reading)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Ian Peter
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> From: Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro
>>>> Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2013 8:11 AM
>>>> To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org
>>>> Subject: [governance] Results of IGC Charter Amendment Poll
>>>>
>>>> Dear All,
>>>>
>>>> Greetings! This is a brief update on the results of the IGC Charter
>>>> Amendment Poll. Here are the results:
>>>>
>>>> 76 responses were submitted, though some respondents did not  
>>>> answer all
>>>> questions, as none of them were compulsory.
>>>>
>>>> On proposal 1, 70 voted in favour, 4 against, and 2 did not vote.
>>>> On proposal 2, 62 voted in favour, 5 against, and 9 did not vote.
>>>> On proposal 3, 71 voted in favour, 2 against, and 3 did not vote.
>>>> On proposal 4, 65 voted in favour, 3 against, and 8 did not vote.
>>>>
>>>> This means that all proposals pass with greater than 80%  
>>>> approval, which
>>>> is excess of the 2/3 requirement.  The text of the amendments is  
>>>> found at
>>>> http://igcaucus.org/formally-proposed-charter-amendments and the  
>>>> charter as
>>>> amended is at http://igcaucus.org/charter and
>>>> http://igcaucus.org/nomcom-process.
>>>>
>>>> I would also like to acknowledge and thank you all for your  
>>>> contributions,
>>>> elaborate discussion and for taking the time to vote. Thank you  
>>>> to all those
>>>> who proposed the amendments and initiated the process and to all  
>>>> those who
>>>> took part. Special thanks also to Norbert for conducting the Poll  
>>>> and to
>>>> Jeremy for helping out.
>>>>
>>>> With Kind Regards,
>>>> Sala (on behalf of the Coordinators)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>> Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala
>>>> P.O. Box 17862
>>>> Suva
>>>> Fiji
>>>>
>>>> Twitter: @SalanietaT
>>>> Skype:Salanieta.Tamanikaiwaimaro
>>>> Tel: +679 3544828
>>>> Fiji Cell: +679 998 2851
>>>>
>>>>
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