[discuss] [governance] Report from the BR meeting local organizing group - Dec 2013
William Drake
wjdrake at gmail.com
Sat Dec 28 04:28:52 EST 2013
Hi
Thanks Parminder, glad we are able to agree on this.
But further to the question of being clear about who’s speaking, I guess I also don’t understand why you’re only asking for the views of the leaderships of these networks? Undoubtedly there are varying views among their memberships about whether CS should present its nominations to the conference committees in the same way as other stakeholders, as the LOG has asked us to do for simplicity’s sake. Surely you’re not suggesting that the leaders should just take whatever stances they want because their memberships have varying views (well, Best Bits doesn’t actually have members to represent, but whatever). While I’m not trying to initiate another long and needlessly divisive thread about representational modalities, I don’t think continuing down this road will be helpful to anyone.
FWIW my view remains that if the networks involved refuse to work through the 1net mechanism to channel nominations to the Brazilians, they should not have taken positions on the 1net coordination committee, which to date has one identifiable function— channeling nominations to the Brazilians. If the view is that because its launch and initial expiation were not handled well 1net therefore has no legitimacy as a channel, then the networks shouldn’t lend it legitimacy and should resign from its coordination committee. I don’t share that view of 1net, but if someone else does they should behave according to their principles rather than trying to have it both ways.
Best
Bill
On Dec 27, 2013, at 3:41 PM, parminder <parminder at itforchange.net> wrote:
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> Ok, Bill, There was a category confusion here. Since we were/ are interacting within the IGC and BB space I meant simply 'our CS groups' here had made that decision. I agree that it is factually incorrect to say that it is a civil society decision. Should only say it is IGC plus BB plus APC plus IRP decision. I stand corrected.
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> (Since I was writing to Carlos I was also mindful that Carlos knew exactly which groups put forward this position and will communicate accordingly...)
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> In any case, I request the leaderships of IGC, BB, APC and IRP colaition to let us know what there current position is on this issue, and what do they propose to do since it seems that things are going in the direction that they did not want them to go..
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> parminder
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> On Friday 27 December 2013 04:35 PM, William Drake wrote:
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>> On Dec 27, 2013, at 11:34 AM, parminder <parminder at itforchange.net> wrote:
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>>>
>>> On Friday 27 December 2013 02:53 PM, William Drake wrote:
>>>> Hi
>>>>
>>>> Small corrections please
>>>>
>>>> On Dec 27, 2013, at 9:48 AM, parminder <parminder at itforchange.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Dear Carlos
>>>>>
>>>>> I understand that the local organising group will meet in a few hours from now...
>>>>>
>>>>> I will request you to let them know that civil society groups
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>>>> Should read “some civil society groups”. Probably necessary to give their names so the message is understood properly.
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>>> I understand that it is a decision of 4 CS organisations/ networks - IGC, BB, IRP and APC - which was sent in a written form to the Brazilians and I am only reiterating that decision... I understand that decision stand unless a counter decision is taken..
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>> Well…As Nnenna and other have documented, IGC and BB are in fact the same people, and as BB is a voting platform with formal members it’s not clear how legitimately this position was adopted without a vote. IRP I thought was a multistakeholder coalition, is it not? I don’t recall what APC’s position was, would be good to have reconfirmation. Either way, not endorsing that approach is NCSG (almost 400 organization and individual members), Diplo (quite a lot), or various other CS networks and organizations engaged in IG. So you really are not in a position to issue grandiose totalizing proclamations on behalf of all global civil society. And FWIW, as both a founding IGC member and a BB attendee, I certainly I don’t recall an open and inclusive discussion in either setting about whether to stand aloof of the process the Brazilians are asking us to use (which I can’t believe we’re still debating). What I do remember is a few loud and aggressive voices demanding that this be the stance and nobody wanting to tangle. I also remember the very same people who denounced using 1net as the agreed aggregator of nominations and anything else then demanding to be appointed to its coordination committee, which is a pretty blatant bit of have your cake and eat it too incoherence.
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>> Anyway, it’s of course totally fine if there are groups that feel that on principle you will not interface with the Brazilian process in the manner the Brazilians have asked for. Then simply say who you are, and don’t pretend to speak for other parts of CS that don’t agree with you.
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>>> However, if you and or others want that decision to be reversed, please indicate so, and we can gather opinions.
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>> I’m not asking you to change your view, I know you won’t. I’m asking you to please report accurately who supports your statement so that others of us don’t have to waste time issuing a public corrective. Such a process is not going to add luster to CS participation.
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>>> Otherwise please do not confuse people about what is an existing decision of key civil society groups…
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>> I’m not confusing people, you are. You are claiming, yet again, to be speaking for “civil society,” when you are not. It is a pretty major misrepresentation.
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>> BD
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>>> parminder
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>>>>> stand by their decision to communicate their nominees for various organising committees directly to the local organising group (LOG) ... All other kinds of communication from the civil society side
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>>>> from these members of the civil society ‘side’
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>>>>> will also continue to be done from civil society side directly to the LOG, and later, as appropriate to the relevant organising committees. We
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>>>> These civil society groups
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>>>> These amendments add some precision and avoid some of the unnecessary confusion that’s arisen.
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>>>> Thanks
>>>>
>>>> Bill
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>>>>> do not intend to mediate any such communication through 1Net or any such other group.
>>>>>
>>>>> I will add as a personal opinion that: Brazil/ CGI.Br has taken the political role of organising this important meeting; it cannot now shirk from the corresponding political responsibilities, by passing them on to others who have not been given the needed legitimacy. The world sees and approves Brazil as the host and organiser of this meeting, and it will be best if they are able to continue to do so. Any change of perception would have important bearing on the legitimacy and success of the meeting.
>>>>>
>>>>> I would also like to request LOG to give civil society Liaisons - the names being already communicated to them - equal status and involvement in your meetings and decisions as, apparently, is being given to some other non governmental groups.
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>>>>> In this regard I also request the Liaisons to be in contact with the LOG, and also with us.
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>>>>> Thanks and best regards
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>>>>> Parminder
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