Fwd: Re: [discuss] [governance] Report from the BR meeting local organizing group - Dec 2013

Fri Dec 27 02:39:22 EST 2013

Ian/ All

On your email about 1Net being simply a conduit, I forward an email as 
below that I wrote on the 1Net list which I see is not copied to IGC and 
BB..

IMHO civil society should quit pussy footing and learn to stand up and 
assert... Dont be afraid that we will lose this or that... civil society 
activism was not built on timidness, but on being bold and speaking out 
the truth, truth that is repressed and window dressed otherwise. That is 
civil society's primary role - not to sit in committees, which we will 
of course do for fulfilling our primary role as and when needed. We are 
openly being taken for granted here, and I have no doubt that in a big 
part we ourselves are responsible for this...

No personal comments on anyone (least on you, Ian) but I think we need 
to begin giving clear-speak a higher rating than our civil society lists 
have been reduced to doing...

Civil society has to react as strongly to a set of ICANN or 1* star 
players manipulating it as we would if a government was..... Not doing 
so bespeaks a political ideology, which not only I but a very very big 
number of people and groups across the world are extremely uncomfortable 
with.

  'Niceness' cannot mask real politics, and I see some hilarious 
attempts on this list attempting to do so... At the very least, lets 
give each other the credit of being grown up political adults...

parminder

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: 	Re: [discuss] [governance] Report from the BR meeting local 
organizing group - Dec 2013
Date: 	Fri, 27 Dec 2013 00:34:32 +0530
From: 	parminder <parminder at itforchange.net>
To: 	Carlos A. Afonso <ca at cafonso.ca>
CC: 	discuss at 1net.org

Dear Carlos,

I take your below email with as much respect as I take everything coming 
from you...

But the fact remains that I am completely unable to understand how a 
vague 'platform' that 1net is (if it is that) without anything at all 
certain about it, would be able to do a better job of receiving 
nominations from different stakeholders than a clearly constituted 
committee with clear membership ( and, I understand, secretarial 
support) as the local organising group.....

(The rest of the email is general and not addressed to Carlos, since I 
have no intention to take potshots at the messenger)

Everyone knows that a tremendous goodwill,  with great hope and 
expectation, was conferred on this meeting from the world over - 
especially from quarters outside the charmed circles of IG kinds - 
'specifically' because of the Brazilian leadership of this initiative, 
and the *unique circumstances under which such a leadership shaped up*...

I know it may not be very fashionable to call a spade a spade in this 
space, but let me say that the set of decisions take at this meeting 
suggests considerable political accommodations that I am not sure were 
either right or necessary. At the very least, they appear to less than 
very transparently made.

We all know what happened at Bali when 1Net was launched, and the 
aggressive stances of some protagonist, which was resisted by most right 
thinking people really interested in reform in global IG. And again 
earlier last month when there seemed to be unilateral announcements made 
by some people that 1Net would organise non gov participation in Brazil 
meeting's organisation. We got the distinct feeling that the last 
meeting of the local organising group - the meeting before this one - 
fully ignored this unilateral announcement and put forward the 
impression that 1Net had no special role and all stakeholders can 
organise themselves and communicate directly with the Brazilian 
organisers. The current meeting seems to have gone back on all those 
'right decisions' and allowed ICANN and 1* the central role that it had 
always been seeking in the forthcoming meeting.

This is my honest reading of what happened. But I may be over reacting. 
I am happy to be corrected by anyone..

parminder

On Sunday 22 December 2013 11:05 PM, Carlos A. Afonso wrote:
> It is not an extra step. It is a way to consolidate all the requests
> from all non-gov stakeholders, as they (1Net) proposed to do it. It they
> do not do what they are supposed to do, the local organizing group will
> have to find (quickly) alternatives, which will be far more complicated.
>
> []s fraternos
>
> --c.a.
>
> On 12/22/2013 02:50 PM, Roland Perry wrote:
>> In message<52B6F397.3070209 at cafonso.ca>, at 12:13:43 on Sun, 22 Dec
>> 2013, Carlos A. Afonso<ca at cafonso.ca>  writes
>>> I did not say that, did I? I meant what I said.
>> So if I understand you correctly, the one and only way to get nominated
>> for the 'Brazil meeting' is to submit your name *via* the
>> as-yet-not-convened 1net steering committee, who being "only a conduit"
>> have no remit to filter or preselect the names at all?
>>
>> If that's the case, why introduce this extra step.
>>
>>> On 12/22/2013 11:49 AM, Roland Perry wrote:
>>>> In message<52B61230.9030602 at cafonso.ca>, at 20:12:00 on Sat, 21 Dec
>>>> 2013, Carlos A. Afonso<ca at cafonso.ca>  writes
>>>>> No, not at all. 1Net is the conduit only.
>>>> Still confused. Do you mean "1Net is *one of* at least two independent
>>>> conduits" - the other being direct nominations?
>>>>
>>>>> The StComm will receive the nominations from the stakeholders.
>>>>>
>>>>> Hope it works...
>>>>>
>>>>> frt rgds
>>>>>
>>>>> --c.a.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 12/21/2013 04:36 PM, Roland Perry wrote:
>>>>>> In message<52B5C3A4.3070708 at cafonso.ca>, at 14:36:52 on Sat, 21 Dec
>>>>>> 2013, Carlos A. Afonso<ca at cafonso.ca>  writes
>>>>>>> civil society needs to indicate to 1Net Steering Committee four
>>>>>>> high-level reps as soon as possible.
>>>>>> I apologise for getting confused by this, but are you saying that it's
>>>>>> only the 1Net Steering Committee [which I don't think has convened
>>>>>> yet]
>>>>>> which can propose candidates such as these for the 'Brazil Meeting'
>>>>>> organising committee?
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> discuss mailing list
>>> discuss at 1net.org
>>> http://1net.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
> _______________________________________________
> discuss mailing list
> discuss at 1net.org
> http://1net.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
>

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