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<font face="Verdana">Ian/ All<br>
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On your email about 1Net being simply a conduit, I forward an
email as below that I wrote on the 1Net list which I see is not
copied to IGC and BB..<br>
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IMHO civil society should quit pussy footing and learn to stand up
and assert... Dont be afraid that we will lose this or that...
civil society activism was not built on timidness, but on being
bold and speaking out the truth, truth that is repressed and
window dressed otherwise. That is civil society's primary role -
not to sit in committees, which we will of course do for
fulfilling our primary role as and when needed. We are openly
being taken for granted here, and I have no doubt that in a big
part we ourselves are responsible for this...<br>
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No personal comments on anyone (least on you, Ian) but I think we
need to begin giving clear-speak a higher rating than our civil
society lists have been reduced to doing...<br>
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Civil society has to react as strongly to a set of ICANN or 1*
star players manipulating it as we would if a government was.....
Not doing so bespeaks a political ideology, which not only I but a
very very big number of people and groups across the world are
extremely uncomfortable with.<br>
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'Niceness' cannot mask real politics, and I see some hilarious
attempts on this list attempting to do so... At the very least,
lets give each other the credit of being grown up political
adults...<br>
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parminder <br>
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<td>Re: [discuss] [governance] Report from the BR meeting
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<td>parminder <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:parminder@itforchange.net"><parminder@itforchange.net></a></td>
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<font face="Verdana">Dear Carlos,<br>
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I take your below email with as much respect as I take
everything coming from you...<br>
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But the fact remains that I am completely unable to understand
how a vague 'platform' </font><font face="Verdana">that 1net is
</font><font face="Verdana">(if it is that) without anything at
all certain about it, would be able to do a better job of
receiving nominations from different stakeholders than a clearly
constituted committee with clear membership ( and, I understand,
secretarial support) as the local organising group..... <br>
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(The rest of the email is general and not addressed to Carlos,
since I have no intention to take potshots at the messenger)<br>
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Everyone knows that a tremendous goodwill, with great hope and
expectation, was conferred on this meeting </font><font
face="Verdana">from the world over - especially from quarters
outside the charmed circles of IG kinds - </font><font
face="Verdana"> 'specifically' because of the Brazilian
leadership of this initiative, and the *unique circumstances
under which such a leadership shaped up*... <br>
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I know it may not be very fashionable to call a spade a spade in
this space, but let me say that the set of decisions take at
this meeting suggests considerable political accommodations that
I am not sure were either right or necessary. At the very least,
they appear to less than very transparently made. <br>
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We all know what happened at Bali when 1Net was launched, and
the aggressive stances of some protagonist, which was resisted
by most right thinking people really interested in reform in
global IG. And again earlier last month when there seemed to be
unilateral announcements made by some people that 1Net would
organise non gov participation in Brazil meeting's organisation.
We got the distinct feeling that the last meeting of the local
organising group - the meeting before this one - fully ignored
this unilateral announcement and put forward the impression that
1Net had no special role and all stakeholders can organise
themselves and communicate directly with the Brazilian
organisers. The current meeting seems to have gone back on all
those 'right decisions' and allowed ICANN and 1* the central
role that it had always been seeking in the forthcoming meeting.
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This is my honest reading of what happened. But I may be over
reacting. I am happy to be corrected by anyone..<br>
<br>
parminder<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On Sunday 22 December 2013 11:05 PM,
Carlos A. Afonso wrote:<br>
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<pre wrap="">It is not an extra step. It is a way to consolidate all the requests
from all non-gov stakeholders, as they (1Net) proposed to do it. It they
do not do what they are supposed to do, the local organizing group will
have to find (quickly) alternatives, which will be far more complicated.
[]s fraternos
--c.a.
On 12/22/2013 02:50 PM, Roland Perry wrote:
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<pre wrap="">In message <a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:52B6F397.3070209@cafonso.ca"><52B6F397.3070209@cafonso.ca></a>, at 12:13:43 on Sun, 22 Dec
2013, Carlos A. Afonso <a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:ca@cafonso.ca"><ca@cafonso.ca></a> writes
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<pre wrap="">I did not say that, did I? I meant what I said.
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<pre wrap="">So if I understand you correctly, the one and only way to get nominated
for the 'Brazil meeting' is to submit your name *via* the
as-yet-not-convened 1net steering committee, who being "only a conduit"
have no remit to filter or preselect the names at all?
If that's the case, why introduce this extra step.
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<pre wrap="">On 12/22/2013 11:49 AM, Roland Perry wrote:
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<pre wrap="">In message <a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:52B61230.9030602@cafonso.ca"><52B61230.9030602@cafonso.ca></a>, at 20:12:00 on Sat, 21 Dec
2013, Carlos A. Afonso <a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:ca@cafonso.ca"><ca@cafonso.ca></a> writes
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<pre wrap="">No, not at all. 1Net is the conduit only.
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<pre wrap="">Still confused. Do you mean "1Net is *one of* at least two independent
conduits" - the other being direct nominations?
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<pre wrap="">The StComm will receive the nominations from the stakeholders.
Hope it works...
frt rgds
--c.a.
On 12/21/2013 04:36 PM, Roland Perry wrote:
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<pre wrap="">In message <a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:52B5C3A4.3070708@cafonso.ca"><52B5C3A4.3070708@cafonso.ca></a>, at 14:36:52 on Sat, 21 Dec
2013, Carlos A. Afonso <a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:ca@cafonso.ca"><ca@cafonso.ca></a> writes
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<pre wrap="">civil society needs to indicate to 1Net Steering Committee four
high-level reps as soon as possible.
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<pre wrap="">I apologise for getting confused by this, but are you saying that it's
only the 1Net Steering Committee [which I don't think has convened
yet]
which can propose candidates such as these for the 'Brazil Meeting'
organising committee?
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