[governance] Re: [bestbits] HLLM in LOndon - CS reps
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro
salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com
Thu Dec 12 05:06:07 EST 2013
Milton raises an important point. I totally get that Bill was invited as an Expert adviser and get his point.
Firstly, it is important to remember that the HLLM is convened by ICANN and is an ICANN driven, initiated meeting. It follows that the ultimate discretion rests with them on who they want to invite to the party. We were informed that they only wanted and had space for one civil society representative to the table. From the outset, I was not under any illusion that they would do us any special favours. Clearly, as any normal entity would, they would be predisposed to self preservation and ensuring that all the "play nice civil society folk" will be present. Strategies to devise and shape outcomes and predetermine players whose voices will be loud in the room are all part of the political reality.
Personally, I would suggest that the two nominees still go in as observers and fully deploy social media to report and offer real time commentaries. In today's modern day internet reality, power has shifted from the table to the floor so civil society can still be heard.
If this was a Shared Forum, then there is room for us to kick a fuss and question the processes etc. We just have to deal with the hand that we have been given and trust that our people who are there will raise the issues.
There is nothing stopping us from organizing our own high level panel and using a webcast to get it out!
Best Regards,
Sala
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> On Dec 10, 2013, at 5:53 AM, Milton L Mueller <mueller at syr.edu> wrote:
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> Let me be indelicate enough to raise an issue that probably no one wants to deal with but needs to be raised. And despite certain appearances, it is not a personal interest here but a process one.
> The IGC, and several other groups, worked together to forward two recommended names to the President of ICANN.
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> Congrats to some extent on being appointed to this HLLM, but your name was not on that CS-provided list, Bill. At this stage of the game I am certainly not suggesting that you turn it down, but one does want to know what kind of a process we are in and what kind of criteria are being applied?
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> Other people are asking us for recommended lists of names for various positions. Aside from the usual junk associated with people positioning for these things, we need to assess the good faith and cooperative spirit of those who are making these requests. To put a finer point on it, what are the implications of CS being asked to provide recommended names, providing them, and then having a completely different name selected?
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> I know it’s an uncomfortable topic but I think we’d have to be self-delusional not to discuss it.
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> From: governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org [mailto:governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org] On Behalf Of William Drake
> Sent: Monday, December 9, 2013 4:57 AM
> To: Governance; Adam Peake
> Cc: McTim McTim; bestbits at lists.bestbits.net> Best Bits
> Subject: Re: [governance] Re: [bestbits] HLLM in LOndon - CS reps
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> Hello
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> I’ve mentioned this to a couple people privately and should probably state publicly as well that I will be participating in the High Level Panel process as an “expert” advisor, e.g. in London I’ll be giving a talk about the nature of IG, running a break out session, etc. I believe there may be a couple other people from other SGs similarly appointed, TBC. I don’t know how they intend to deal with the request for a CS “representative” panel member, but understand nothing will happen in time for the London meeting.
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> I have suggested publicly announcing the agenda and providing options for people to provide written inputs, we’ll see what happens. The London meeting is in four days and there’s a lot late rushing around to pull it together, so it’s a bit difficult to predict exactly how everything will play out.
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> Best,
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> Bill
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> William J. Drake
> International Fellow & Lecturer
> Media Change & Innovation Division, IPMZ
> University of Zurich, Switzerland
> Chair, Noncommercial Users Constituency,
> ICANN, www.ncuc.org
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> On Dec 9, 2013, at 3:27 AM, Adam Peake <ajp at glocom.ac.jp> wrote:
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> On Dec 8, 2013, at 11:34 PM, McTim wrote:
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> cc list trimmed to only one list.
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> /transcript-president-opening-18nov13-en.pdf
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> "USC, University of Southern California-Annenberg Foundation as well
> as the World Economic Forum, the WEF, have partnered with us so we
> ensure that this panel has some level of independency and is functioning
> on a broader scale globally"
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> WEF <http://www.weforum.org/content/global-agenda-council-future-internet-2012-2014>
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> Adam
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> On Fri, Dec 6, 2013 at 10:49 PM, michael gurstein <gurstein at gmail.com> wrote:
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> Thanks for this Ian, could someone please explain to me what is meant by
> this fifth panel as more independent (in partnership with two other
> organizations.. Is he referring to Inet here? Who are the other two
> organizations?
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> M
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: bestbits-request at lists.bestbits.net
> [mailto:bestbits-request at lists.bestbits.net] On Behalf Of Ian Peter
> Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 10:34 AM
> To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org; Adam Peake
> Cc: bestbits at lists.bestbits.net
> Subject: Re: [governance] Re: [bestbits] HLLM in LOndon - CS reps
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> Hi Adam,
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> Because it would be inappropriate I am deliberately not taking on a role of
> coordinating back to various networks as that is what the various reps
> should do. But here is the reply from Fadi to Robin (copied to the reps
> earlier).
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> Hello Robin,
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> I hope you had a good thanksgiving holiday. I took several days off and
> regained a lot of energy after our busy week in Buenos Aires. I just got
> back and ready for the next phase of work.
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> As I noted below and in Buenos Aires, we were never in a position to grow
> the panel any further. In BA, however, after the panel was announced, we
> made a final commitment to add only one panelist from the cc community, and
> only one more from civil society -- understanding the need for broader
> participation. Byron Holland from the cc community agreed to serve while in
> Buenos Aires.
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> At this stage, and now that we have established this fifth panel as more
> independent (in partnership with two other organizations), I will need to
> confer with our partners on your request, as well as with the Chairman of
> the panel. I predict that they will be sensitive to diversity.
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> I cannot meet with the chairman until next week on Wednesday. I will keep
> you posted. It may be a little late for London but rest assured that Frank
> La Rue, Lynn St. Amour, and myself will have our communities interests very
> vigilantly on top of our agendas.
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> Fadi
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> -----Original Message-----
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> From: Adam Peake
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> Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 10:03 PM
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> To: Ian Peter
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> Cc: governance at lists.igcaucus.org ; bestbits at lists.bestbits.net
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> Subject: [governance] Re: [bestbits] HLLM in LOndon - CS reps
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> Hi Ian,
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> Any reply to the CS coalition's recommendations? The high level panel is
> due to meet December 12-13 (London), a week from now.
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> Best,
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> Adam
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> On Nov 30, 2013, at 5:50 AM, Ian Peter wrote:
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> Please find a letter just send to Fadi Chehade under my signatory as
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> an independent facilitator as regards civil society representation at
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> this meeting in two weeks time.
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> Let me be the first to admit the process was imperfect, the result was
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> imperfect. But so was the task we were given, the timeframe, the
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> people involved in making the decision, and the facilitation process.
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> I can only say that there was widespread agreement we should submit
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> names, and for the names submitted. And that doing and saying nothing
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> would have been the alternative in this timeframe.
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> Ian Peter
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> 29 November 2013
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> RE: Civil Society Representation on High Level Panel in London
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> Dear Fadi and Nora:
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> I am writing to you following from discussions held by a coalition of
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> representatives of the civil society networks most involved in
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> Internet governance deliberations, we appreciate your willingness to
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> engage civil society in discussions regarding the future of Internet
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> governance. We also appreciate your recognition that civil society is
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> under-represented on your High Level Panel and your willingness to
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> accept additional civil society participants to this panel to provide
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> more balance.
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> After consultations with our networks, we propose adding the following
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> 2 civil society representatives to begin to balance against the much
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> larger numbers from government, the private sector, and technical
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> representatives placed on the initial panel.
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> Civil society’s two nominated representatives for the London High
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> Level Panel are:
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> 1. Anriette Esterhuysen (anriette at apc.org) 2. Milton Mueller
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> (mueller at syr.edu) Would you please kindly confirm your acceptance of
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> these names, and contact our representatives directly to arrange their
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> participation?
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> We also strongly recommend the involvement of Jovan Kurbalija of the
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> Diplo Foundation as a highly experienced and knowledgeable
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> facilitator.
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> We trust that in future we will be able to look at much more equitable
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> representation of civil society in such panels and committees.
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> Persons involved with these deliberations and choice of names from
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> various civil society networks were:
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> Virginia Paque, Diplo Foundation
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> Anriette Esterhuysen, Association for Progressive Communications (APC)
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> Robin Gross, ICANN's Non-Commercial Stakeholders Group (NCSG) Norbert
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> Bollow and Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro, Internet Governance Caucus
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> (IGC)
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> Jeremy Malcolm, Best Bits
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> Signed,
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> Ian Peter, Independent Facilitator
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