[governance] [bestbits] HLLM in LOndon - CS reps

Tue Dec 10 01:24:47 EST 2013

The distinction between Bill's appointment as an expert and the CS groups' nomination of people to be on the committee is not so clear to me, and we cannot assume that it is clear to Fadi, especially since the London meeting of the group starts in two days. Either one could be seen as Fadi making a concession to CS demands to be included in the HLLM, and he may consider one to be a substitute for the other.  At this stage, I would assume that if there is no appointment of another CS rep to the HL Panel by now, that there will not be one at all, and Bill is all we will be given. The fact that Bill's appointment came from a random F2F hallway meeting isn't something that inspires confidence, is it?

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Subject: Re: Re: [governance] [bestbits] HLLM in LOndon - CS reps

Hi

Thanks, Avri.  Milton I told you about this F2F in Bern the other day and said it again in the message to which you replied, so I’m not sure what the disconnect is.  Read it again?  No relation to the process you mention.

Cheers

Bill

On Dec 9, 2013, at 5:58 PM, Avri Doria <avri at ella.com<mailto:avri at ella.com>> wrote:

As i understood it, he has not been appointed to the HLLN, but rather that they have approached him as an expert, which he is, on many things.

These are very different things.
~~~
avri

Milton L Mueller <mueller at syr.edu<mailto:mueller at syr.edu>> wrote:
Let me be indelicate enough to raise an issue that probably no one wants to deal with but needs to be raised. And despite certain appearances, it is not a personal interest here but a process one.

The IGC, and several other groups, worked together to forward two recommended names to the President of ICANN.

Congrats to some extent on being appointed to this HLLM, but your name was not on that CS-provided list, Bill. At this stage of the game I am certainly not suggesting that you turn it down, but one does want to know what kind of a process we are in and what kind of criteria are being applied?

Other people are asking us for recommended lists of names for various positions. Aside from the usual junk associated with people positioning for these things, we need to assess the good faith and cooperative spirit of those who are making these requests. To put a finer point on it, what are the implications of CS being asked to provide recommended names, providing them, and then having a completely different name selected?

I know it’s an uncomfortable topic but I think we’d have to be self-delusional not to discuss it.

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Hello

I’ve mentioned this to a couple people privately and should probably state publicly as well that I will be participating in the High Level Panel process as an “expert” advisor, e.g. in London I’ll be giving a talk about the nature of IG, running a break out session, etc.  I believe there may be a couple other people from other SGs similarly appointed, TBC.  I don’t know how they intend to deal with the request for a CS “representative” panel member, but understand nothing will happen in time for the London meeting.

I have suggested publicly announcing the agenda and providing options for people to provide written inputs, we’ll see what happens.  The London meeting is in four days and there’s a lot late rushing around to pull it together, so it’s a bit difficult to predict exactly how everything will play out.

Best,

Bill

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On Dec 9, 2013, at 3:27 AM, Adam Peake <ajp at glocom.ac.jp<mailto:ajp at glocom.ac.jp>> wrote:

On Dec 8, 2013, at 11:34 PM, McTim wrote:

cc list trimmed to only one list.

/transcript-president-opening-18nov13-en.pdf

"USC, University of Southern California-Annenberg Foundation as well
as the World Economic Forum, the WEF, have partnered with us so we
ensure that this panel has some level of independency and is functioning
on a broader scale globally"

WEF <http://www.weforum.org/content/global-agenda-council-future-internet-2012-2014>

Adam

On Fri, Dec 6, 2013 at 10:49 PM, michael gurstein <gurstein at gmail.com<mailto:gurstein at gmail.com>> wrote:

Thanks for this Ian, could someone please explain to me what is meant by
this fifth panel as more independent (in partnership with two other
organizations.. Is he referring to Inet here? Who are the other two
organizations?

M

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Subject: Re: [governance] Re: [bestbits] HLLM in LOndon - CS reps

Hi Adam,

Because it would be inappropriate I am deliberately not taking on a  role of
coordinating back to various networks as that is what the various reps
should do. But here is the reply from Fadi to Robin (copied to the reps
earlier).

Hello Robin,

I hope you had a good thanksgiving holiday. I took several days off and
regained a lot of energy after our busy week in Buenos Aires. I just got
back and ready for the next phase of work.

As I noted below and in Buenos Aires, we were never in a position to grow
the panel any further. In BA, however, after the panel was announced, we
made a final commitment to add only one panelist from the cc community, and
only one more from civil society -- understanding the need for broader
participation. Byron Holland from the cc community agreed to serve while in
Buenos Aires.

At this stage, and now that we have established this fifth panel as more
independent (in partnership with two other organizations), I will need to
confer with our partners on your request, as well as with the Chairman of
the panel. I predict that they will be sensitive to diversity.

I cannot meet with the chairman until next week on Wednesday. I will keep
you posted. It may be a little late for London but rest assured that Frank
La Rue, Lynn St. Amour, and myself will have our communities interests very
vigilantly on top of our agendas.

Fadi

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Subject: [governance] Re: [bestbits] HLLM in LOndon - CS reps

Hi Ian,

Any reply to the CS coalition's recommendations?  The high level panel is
due to meet December 12-13 (London), a week from now.

Best,

Adam

On Nov 30, 2013, at 5:50 AM, Ian Peter wrote:

Please find a letter just send to Fadi Chehade under my signatory as

an independent facilitator as regards civil society representation at

this meeting in two weeks time.

Let me be the first to admit the process was imperfect, the result was

imperfect. But so was the task we were given, the timeframe,  the

people involved in making the decision, and the facilitation process.

I can only say that there was widespread agreement we should submit

names, and for the names submitted. And that doing and saying nothing

would have been the alternative in this timeframe.

Ian Peter

29 November 2013

RE: Civil Society Representation on High Level Panel in London

Dear Fadi and Nora:

I am writing to you following from discussions held by a coalition of

representatives of the civil society networks most involved in

Internet governance deliberations, we appreciate your willingness to

engage civil society in discussions regarding the future of Internet

governance. We also appreciate your recognition that civil society is

under-represented on your High Level Panel and your willingness to

accept additional civil society participants to this panel to provide

more balance.

After consultations with our networks, we propose adding the following

2 civil society representatives to begin to balance against the much

larger numbers from government, the private sector, and technical

representatives placed on the initial panel.

Civil society’s two nominated representatives for the London High

Level Panel are:

1. Anriette Esterhuysen (anriette at apc.org<mailto:anriette at apc.org>) 2. Milton Mueller

(mueller at syr.edu<mailto:mueller at syr.edu>) Would you please kindly confirm your acceptance of

these names, and contact our representatives directly to arrange their

participation?

We also strongly recommend the involvement of Jovan Kurbalija of the

Diplo Foundation as a highly experienced and knowledgeable

facilitator.

We trust that in future we will be able to look at much more equitable

representation of civil society in such panels and committees.

Persons involved with these deliberations and choice of names from

various civil society networks were:

Virginia Paque, Diplo Foundation

Anriette Esterhuysen, Association for Progressive Communications (APC)

Robin Gross, ICANN's Non-Commercial Stakeholders Group (NCSG) Norbert

Bollow and Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro, Internet Governance Caucus

(IGC)

Jeremy Malcolm, Best Bits

Signed,

Ian Peter, Independent Facilitator

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