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<p>The distinction between Bill's appointment as an expert and the CS groups' nomination of people to be on the committee is not so clear to me, and we cannot assume that it is clear to Fadi, especially since the London meeting of the group starts in two days. Either
one could be seen as Fadi making a concession to CS demands to be included in the HLLM, and he may consider one to be a substitute for the other. At this stage, I would assume that if there is no appointment of another CS rep to the HL Panel by now, that
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<b>To:</b> Avri Doria<br>
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<div>Thanks, Avri. Milton I told you about this F2F in Bern the other day and said it again in the message to which you replied, so I’m not sure what the disconnect is. Read it again? No relation to the process you mention.</div>
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<div>On Dec 9, 2013, at 5:58 PM, Avri Doria <<a href="mailto:avri@ella.com" target="_blank">avri@ella.com</a>> wrote:</div>
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As i understood it, he has not been appointed to the HLLN, but rather that they have approached him as an expert, which he is, on many things.<br>
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<span style="FONT-FAMILY: Calibri,sans-serif; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Let me be indelicate enough to raise an issue that probably no one wants to deal with but needs to be raised. And despite certain appearances, it is not a personal interest
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<span style="FONT-FAMILY: Calibri,sans-serif; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-SIZE: 11pt">The IGC, and several other groups, worked together to forward two recommended names to the President of ICANN.</span></div>
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<span style="FONT-FAMILY: Calibri,sans-serif; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Congrats to some extent on being appointed to this HLLM, but your name was not on that CS-provided list, Bill. At this stage of the game I am certainly not suggesting that
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<span style="FONT-FAMILY: Calibri,sans-serif; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Other people are asking us for recommended lists of names for various positions. Aside from the usual junk associated with people positioning for these things, we need to
assess the good faith and cooperative spirit of those who are making these requests. To put a finer point on it, what are the implications of CS being asked to provide recommended names, providing them, and then having a completely different name selected?</span></div>
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<b><span style="FONT-FAMILY: Calibri,sans-serif; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">From:</span></b><span style="FONT-FAMILY: Calibri,sans-serif; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a style="COLOR: purple; TEXT-DECORATION: underline" href="mailto:governance-request@lists.igcaucus.org" target="_blank">governance-request@lists.igcaucus.org</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>[<a style="COLOR: purple; TEXT-DECORATION: underline" href="mailto:governance-request@lists.igcaucus.org" target="_blank">mailto:governance-request@lists.igcaucus.org</a>]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b>On
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I’ve mentioned this to a couple people privately and should probably state publicly as well that I will be participating in the High Level Panel process as an “expert” advisor, e.g. in London I’ll be giving a talk about the nature of IG, running a break out
session, etc. I believe there may be a couple other people from other SGs similarly appointed, TBC. I don’t know how they intend to deal with the request for a CS “representative” panel member, but understand nothing will happen in time for the London meeting.</div>
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I have suggested publicly announcing the agenda and providing options for people to provide written inputs, we’ll see what happens. The London meeting is in four days and there’s a lot late rushing around to pull it together, so it’s a bit difficult to predict
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ICANN,<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a style="COLOR: purple; TEXT-DECORATION: underline" href="http://www.ncuc.org/" target="_blank">www.ncuc.org</a><br>
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On Dec 9, 2013, at 3:27 AM, Adam Peake <<a style="COLOR: purple; TEXT-DECORATION: underline" href="mailto:ajp@glocom.ac.jp" target="_blank">ajp@glocom.ac.jp</a>> wrote:</div>
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"USC, University of Southern California-Annenberg Foundation as well<br>
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On Fri, Dec 6, 2013 at 10:49 PM, michael gurstein <<a style="COLOR: purple; TEXT-DECORATION: underline" href="mailto:gurstein@gmail.com" target="_blank">gurstein@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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Thanks for this Ian, could someone please explain to me what is meant by<br>
this fifth panel as more independent (in partnership with two other<br>
organizations.. Is he referring to Inet here? Who are the other two<br>
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[<a style="COLOR: purple; TEXT-DECORATION: underline" href="mailto:bestbits-request@lists.bestbits.net" target="_blank">mailto:bestbits-request@lists.bestbits.net</a>] On Behalf Of Ian Peter<br>
Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 10:34 AM<br>
To:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a style="COLOR: purple; TEXT-DECORATION: underline" href="mailto:governance@lists.igcaucus.org" target="_blank">governance@lists.igcaucus.org</a>; Adam Peake<br>
Cc:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a style="COLOR: purple; TEXT-DECORATION: underline" href="mailto:bestbits@lists.bestbits.net" target="_blank">bestbits@lists.bestbits.net</a><br>
Subject: Re: [governance] Re: [bestbits] HLLM in LOndon - CS reps<br>
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Because it would be inappropriate I am deliberately not taking on a role of<br>
coordinating back to various networks as that is what the various reps<br>
should do. But here is the reply from Fadi to Robin (copied to the reps<br>
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Hello Robin,<br>
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I hope you had a good thanksgiving holiday. I took several days off and<br>
regained a lot of energy after our busy week in Buenos Aires. I just got<br>
back and ready for the next phase of work.<br>
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As I noted below and in Buenos Aires, we were never in a position to grow<br>
the panel any further. In BA, however, after the panel was announced, we<br>
made a final commitment to add only one panelist from the cc community, and<br>
only one more from civil society -- understanding the need for broader<br>
participation. Byron Holland from the cc community agreed to serve while in<br>
Buenos Aires.<br>
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At this stage, and now that we have established this fifth panel as more<br>
independent (in partnership with two other organizations), I will need to<br>
confer with our partners on your request, as well as with the Chairman of<br>
the panel. I predict that they will be sensitive to diversity.<br>
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I cannot meet with the chairman until next week on Wednesday. I will keep<br>
you posted. It may be a little late for London but rest assured that Frank<br>
La Rue, Lynn St. Amour, and myself will have our communities interests very<br>
vigilantly on top of our agendas.<br>
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Any reply to the CS coalition's recommendations? The high level panel is<br>
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