[governance] Fwd: [At-Large] The Internet as we know it is dead

[Suresh Ramasubramanian]

There is plenty of civil society already involved in IP address management, helping isps in developing countries operate exchange points etc. What is your point here? 

--srs (htc one x) 

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From: "JFC Morfin" <jefsey at jefsey.com>
To: "Diego R. Canabarro" <diegocanabarro at gmail.com>, "governance at lists.igcaucus.org" <governance at lists.igcaucus.org>, "Suresh Ramasubramanian" <suresh at hserus.net>
Cc: "governance at lists.igcaucus.org" <governance at lists.igcaucus.org>, "McTim" <dogwallah at gmail.com>, "Milton L Mueller" <mueller at syr.edu>, "Norbert Bollow" <nb at bollow.ch>
Subject: [governance] Fwd: [At-Large] The Internet as we know it is dead
Date: Sat, Aug 31, 2013 6:39 PM
All this is nice. 


Don't you think routing may have to do with details like architecture,
RFCs, addressing plan, IP allocation, RIR strategies?

Why is there only one source of IPv6 addresses, when ITU had expressed
the interest in managing its own IPv6 adressing plan?

Why is this that RIRs have been the first to endorse OpenStand RFC 6852

http://open-stand.org/home-page/endorsements/?

Why has Civil Society never been proposed to manage its own IPv6
adressing plan?


jfc


At 14:42 31/08/2013, Diego R. Canabarro wrote:

Arent those business agreements
subject to specific jurisdictions? Are those business entities and ISP
completely free from any state law? Shouldnt they be at least
incorporated according to specific bodies of regulation? If so, it is
really hard to envision from a practical perspective the idea of
denationalization. No matter how transnational the activities
are.


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Em 31/08/2013, Ã s 08:55, Suresh Ramasubramanian
<suresh at hserus.net>
escreveu:


Governance of internet routing
depends on business agreements between ISPs


Only rarely is it mandated by law to keep local traffic local - china and
some other countries do it, either for filtering / lawful intercept /
prevention of foreign lawful intercept, or to force ISPs to save
itnernational bandwidth when a dominant player in the industry doesnt
want to peer.


So there's no politics here beyond the usual backbiting - and the rest is
as mctim says.


--srs (iPad)


On 31-Aug-2013, at 17:10, McTim
<dogwallah at gmail.com>
wrote:


On Sat, Aug 31, 2013 at 5:37 AM,
JFC Morfin
<jefsey at jefsey.com>
wrote:

<snip>



Governance of Internet routing
is largely denationalized now.


From reading you (I am not a specialist of lower layers) I understood it
was

"internationalized", the world being used to mean "US
coordinated

international cooperation" as per Zbigniew
Brzezin'ski?

The USG has zero control over routing of non USG networks.  In
other

words, networks control their own routing.  the USG has nothing to
do

with routing them.





-- 

Cheers,


McTim

"A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is.
A

route indicates how we get there."  Jon Postel


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