[governance] On the seriousness of threats (was Re: abuse...)

[parminder]

On Sunday 28 April 2013 01:13 AM, Avri Doria wrote:
> all the cool kids are getting warnings.

Yes, very cool kids, like those who tell 'shame on you'* to one of our 
co-cos, for acts done by him on the behalf of the caucus, and that too 
after proclaiming that one has recently been warned privately for 
violation of list posting rules. I think it is really cool!! Also tells 
about powers and immunities. Power does create coolness.

* I dont know how it reads to someone from the western culture, but here 
in south Asia it is a most insulting phrase.

parminder



>
> pretty soon if you haven't gotten a warning you will have wonder what 
> is wrong with you.
>
> avri
>
> ----- Reply message -----
> From: "Peter H. Hellmonds" <peter.hellmonds at hellmonds.eu>
> To: "governance at lists.igcaucus.org" <governance at lists.igcaucus.org>, 
> "Adam Peake" <ajp at glocom.ac.jp>
> Subject: [governance] On the seriousness of threats (was Re: abuse...)
> Date: Sat, Apr 27, 2013 10:51
>
>
> Adam,
>
> amongst those who received a private warning am also I, following my 
> recent reply to Parminder. The coordinator is obviously very quick 
> with his hat on. ;-)
>
> Best
> Peter
>
> Peter H. Hellmonds
> <peter.hellmonds at hellmonds.eu>
> +49 (160) 360-2852
>
> On 26.04.2013, at 12:27, "Adam Peake" <ajp at glocom.ac.jp> wrote:
>
> Norbert
>
> On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 7:08 PM, Norbert Bollow <nb at bollow.ch> wrote:
> > (this posting is intentionally sent informally, without "coordinator
> > hat")
> >
> > Milton L Mueller <mueller at syr.edu> wrote:
> >
> >> [Milton L Mueller] Of course, that is what I meant. I made it clear
> >> that I will speak up against and challenge any attempt to force
> >> through a poorly-crafted statement as a "civil society" position or a
> >> position of this caucus.
> >
> > You are of course the ultimate authority on what you meant, and I am
> > personally glad to take note of the implied promise that you will not
> > take other action, such as public humiliation or perhaps disruption of
> > a young academic's career, if someone should proceed to promote,
> > contrary to your desire, something that involves emphasis on public
> > good aspects of the Internet as *a* civil society position.
>
> there was no such suggestion in Milton's email.  If you saw such a
> message rather than threaten him with a warning you should ask him
> what he meant, express your concern.
>
> You are clearly too quick with your hat and your warnings and it's
> troubling that you add your own interpretation and opinion.  Your
> warning to me (yes, I've been warned...) was over the Michael Gurstein
> incident and what I saw as forum/stakeholder shopping to gain a seat
> in the CSTD WG (my fault for expressing annoyance that someone would
> attempt to manipulate longstanding and well understood process.)  Fair
> enough if you thought I had gone to far.  But you added a comment that
> I was in someway extra guilty because Michael was performing the
> function of whistle-blower, obviously a sacred role.  As with Milton
> you added your own interpretation, got rather carried away.
>
> For someone who seems interested in human rights you are very quick to
> pass personal judgement and censor.  Could you stop please.
>
> Adam
>
>
>
>
> > Getting back to the specific sentence that I reacted to in my private
> > email to you, “I hope IGC does not waste further time on this
> > statement, and be forewarned that if it does I will not allow anyone to
> > misrepresent it as a civil society position” - that is a statement
> > which can be reasonably read as much more than what you have described
> > as its intended meaning. While I agree that in the present context it is
> > not plausible to interpret it as a threat of physical violence, it can
> > be pl 

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