[governance] Internet as a commons/ public good

[Izumi AIZU]

Defining what the Internet is may be a good starting point, but may not be
the final product.

However, reaching one consensus for what the Internet ought to be may not
be so easily reachable as we see very diverse views even among IGC members
if not within CS at WSIS process.

Still, I think trying to articulate what we want it to be and take notes to
different views is a valuable exercise and so far so good or at least I am
learning a lot.

Let's not to be too pessimistic!

Izumi

2013年4月25日木曜日 Milton L Mueller mueller at syr.edu:

>  Is this an attempt to “define what the internet is” or is it an attempt
> to force the internet into someone’s pre-conceived ideological mold as a
> ‘public good’? If it is the former, it might have some value for the WGEC.
> If the latter, it should be called off.****
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* Carlos A. Afonso [mailto:ca at cafonso.ca <javascript:_e({}, 'cvml',
> 'ca at cafonso.ca');>]
> *Sent:* Thursday, April 25, 2013 9:02 AM
> *To:* Milton L Mueller; Izumi AIZU; governance
> *Subject:* RE: [governance] Internet as a commons/ public good****
>
> ** **
>
> This discussion thread reminds me of the Wgig effort to arrive at a
> "operational" definition of the Internet. I would not call it off as it
> provides plenty of arguments to help us in the upcoming WGEC. I have a
> feeling that a good summary of these arguments will serve as a good
> dos-and-donts synthesis for the WG.****
>
> ** **
>
> frt rgds****
>
> ** **
>
> --c.a.****
>
> ** **
>
> ------------****
>
> C. A. Afonso****
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>
>
> -------- Original message --------
> From: Milton L Mueller <mueller at syr.edu>
> Date: 25/04/2013 09:29 (GMT-03:00)
> To: Izumi AIZU <iza at anr.org>,governance <governance at lists.igcaucus.org>
> Subject: RE: [governance] Internet as a commons/ public good
>
> ****
>
> Izumi’s comment clinches my feeling that this whole effort is misdirected
> and should be called off. First, there is obviously nothing near consensus
> on this; it is yet another attempt by one faction to impose their own
> peculiar ideological fixation on the rest of us, while ignoring more
> important and consensual values. ****
>
>  ****
>
> There is no well-defined problem that this statement addresses. There is a
> vague reference to “the growing danger for the Internet experience to be
> reduced to closed or proprietary online spaces.” I challenge the truth of
> this assertion. I think it’s just false. I see no such trend, no such
> danger. Proponents of that must provide evidence of a “growing” trend, and
> show how it constitutes something systemic and something that end users
> really don’t want. ****
>
>  ****
>
> Note that there IS a massive amount of evidence of a growing trend toward
> content regulation and censorship in many countries. But somehow, we don’t
> seem interested in addressing that. There is a growing danger of
> securitization. We don’t address that. By the way, how does this attack on
> closed online spaces relate to the agenda of privacy advocates? A lot of
> people WANT to close off some of the information shared on the internet
> (although this is not an agenda I share). No one seems to have given that
> problem a moment’s thought. ****
>
>  ****
>
> Finally, those who have chosen to prioritize “public good” concepts over
> everything else have shown a clear misunderstanding of the concept of
> public goods. They have inaccurately characterized the internet as a whole
> as a public good when it has clear that many features of it are private
> goods and that much of the value we associate with the internet comes from
> allowing private actors to create and maintain private spaces within the
> global internet. Any statement that fails to recognize this is both
> factually inaccurate and unlikely to get widespread support. ****
>
>  ****
>
> I hope IGC does not waste further time on this statement, and be
> forewarned that if it does I will not allow anyone to misrepresent it as a
> civil society position. ****
>
>  ****
>
> --MM****
>
>  ****
>


-- 
Izumi Aizu - sent from Mobile
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