Defining what the Internet is may be a good starting point, but may not be the final product.<div><br><div>However, reaching one consensus for what the Internet ought to be may not be so easily reachable as we see very diverse views even among IGC members if not within CS at WSIS process.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Still, I think trying to articulate what we want it to be and take notes to different views is a valuable exercise and so far so good or at least I am learning a lot.<span></span></div><div><br></div><div>
Let's not to be too pessimistic!</div><div><br></div><div>Izumi <br><br>2013年4月25日木曜日 Milton L Mueller <a href="mailto:mueller@syr.edu">mueller@syr.edu</a>:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#1f497d">Is this an attempt to “define what the internet is” or is it an attempt to force the internet into someone’s pre-conceived ideological mold as a ‘public good’? If it
is the former, it might have some value for the WGEC. If the latter, it should be called off.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, April 25, 2013 9:02 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Milton L Mueller; Izumi AIZU; governance<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [governance] Internet as a commons/ public good<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p>This discussion thread reminds me of the Wgig effort to arrive at a "operational" definition of the Internet. I would not call it off as it provides plenty of arguments to help us in the upcoming WGEC. I have a feeling that a good summary
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From: Milton L Mueller <<a>mueller@syr.edu</a>> <br>
Date: 25/04/2013 09:29 (GMT-03:00) <br>
To: Izumi AIZU <<a>iza@anr.org</a>>,governance <<a>governance@lists.igcaucus.org</a>>
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Subject: RE: [governance] Internet as a commons/ public good <br>
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<p><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#1f497d">Izumi’s comment clinches my feeling that this whole effort is misdirected and should be called off. First,
there is obviously nothing near consensus on this; it is yet another attempt by one faction to impose their own peculiar ideological fixation on the rest of us, while ignoring more important and consensual values.
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<p><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#1f497d">There is no well-defined problem that this statement addresses. There is a vague reference to “the growing
danger for the Internet experience to be reduced to closed or proprietary online spaces.” I challenge the truth of this assertion. I think it’s just false. I see no such trend, no such danger. Proponents of that must provide evidence of a “growing” trend,
and show how it constitutes something systemic and something that end users really don’t want.
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<p><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#1f497d">Note that there IS a massive amount of evidence of a growing trend toward content regulation and censorship
in many countries. But somehow, we don’t seem interested in addressing that. There is a growing danger of securitization. We don’t address that. By the way, how does this attack on closed online spaces relate to the agenda of privacy advocates? A lot of people
WANT to close off some of the information shared on the internet (although this is not an agenda I share). No one seems to have given that problem a moment’s thought.
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<p><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#1f497d">Finally, those who have chosen to prioritize “public good” concepts over everything else have shown a clear
misunderstanding of the concept of public goods. They have inaccurately characterized the internet as a whole as a public good when it has clear that many features of it are private goods and that much of the value we associate with the internet comes from
allowing private actors to create and maintain private spaces within the global internet. Any statement that fails to recognize this is both factually inaccurate and unlikely to get widespread support.
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<p><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#1f497d">I hope IGC does not waste further time on this statement, and be forewarned that if it does I will not allow
anyone to misrepresent it as a civil society position. </span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#1f497d">--MM</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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</blockquote></div></div><br><br>-- <br>Izumi Aizu - sent from Mobile<br><br>