[governance] Internet as a commons/ public good; was, Conflicts in Internet Governance

Wed Apr 17 04:42:08 EDT 2013

Internet is primarily a tool, a channel of information exchange. It
facilitates communication between two or more people in real time in an
interactive approach. It has become a major channel as the technology does
not give us another opportunity to replace the internet. "

Internet and take a political position, economic, cultural, social,
scientific, etc. .. according to the user or users.

To have internet, you need the technical considerations and technological
applications are reunies.

Internet can be used by everyone without distinction provided that the
technical and technological aspects are optimal.
However, referring to the technical aspects, we use the telecoms and other
infrastructure. Referring to the technological aspects, we use also the
numerical programs.

When we say the Internet is a public good, WHAT WE WANT TO SAY EXACTLY?

The roads are also public goods even if there are private areas.

The real problem of the Internet is a level which in this context? this
debate is very important but we need more clarity for not questioning the
"information society" in the democratic sense.

2013/4/16 Mawaki Chango <kichango at gmail.com>

> This may be one of the instances where the complexity of social
> discourse/reality/phenomenon/experience legitimately diverges from the
> productive simplicity of technical language and definitions (note: in case
> that isn't enough clear, I mean simplicity in a positive way.) Obviously,
> for the purposes of advocacy, social discourse and social science, we can't
> just limit ourselves to a descriptive definition of Internet as a "network
> of networks". First of all; there were before the Internet, and there still
> are, networks of networks that are not Internet (e.g., of human beings).
> Now, I understand the full definition quoted from Wikipedia specifies a lot
> more than is in that one phrase, and I wouldn't object to that as a valid
> definition.
>
> However, concept definition is not always only a description of facts
> which may qualify as either truth or false, exclusively, and nothing else.
> It can also be, eg, purpose driven and sensitive to the discursive context
> (so even the choice of facts, or characteristics, to be highlighted in a
> definition can be framed depending of the purpose and/or the discoursive
> context). The Wiki definition focuses on computer devices and the
> architecture of their relationships; even where you have social structures
> mentioned, they are not so for themselves or for their social purposes but
> for being the origin or the scope of the computer networks thus set up and
> connected. The user at large and the societal dimensions of the Internet
> are totally absent here. To your defense (or rather to the defense of those
> who coined that definition or more precisely the original definition that
> led to this one), they were defining, and could only define, the Internet
> in its architecture, as they were building it, and it wasn't their job to
> anticipate on the social reality that it will become, which (as it has
> become that, that is, that "emerging reality") is now as legitimate to
> define what it is (partic. for social purposes), as its original technical
> architecture is (partic. for technical purposes).
>
> Re. the draft definition itself, though, while I agree that 'space' is
> simpler than 'spatiality' and the value of the KISS precept (Keep It Simple
> and Stupid), the latter says something more than the former, as spatiality
> here does not just augment the social space as we know it, but enables new
> kinds of interactions and transactions between humans, between machines and
> between humans and machines. That being said, maybe the phrase "kind of
> space" already conveys the idea "spatiality" (am not too sure, so I leave
> this as a comment hoping it might contribute to clarify a little more.) I
> also wonder whether it wouldn't be useful (I dare not say necessary) to add
> something about computing capabilities or power ('hardware' or 'software'
> alone does do it, does it?). I just feel like the fact that computers have
> virtually limitless calculation power and storage capability for humans'
> works, and are unforgetting, is part of that emerging social reality. I am
> not sure how to phrase this right now (that would be in the second sentence
> of the current draft definition which I'm just reproducing below with no
> change, only for convenience). So I will leave it to someone more skillful
> to try if they are so inclined.
>
> We recognise the Internet to be an emergent and emerging reality.
>     As a global network of networks, it is an intricate combination of
>     hardware, software, protocols, human intentionality and a new kind
>     of social space, brought together by a common set of design
>     principles, and constrained by policies established by due
>     democratic processes. We consider the Internet as a global commons
>     and a global public good. The design principles and policies that
>     constitute its governance should, therefore, flow from such
>     recognition of the Internet as a commons and public good.
>
> Best,
>
> Mawaki
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 12:46 PM, McTim <dogwallah at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 7:58 AM, Norbert Bollow <nb at bollow.ch> wrote:
>> > McTim <dogwallah at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Again, what I object to most is that I think we are defining a thing
>> >> by its epiphenomenal characteristics.
>> >
>> > Suppose that a company X were to create a network of networks, possibly
>> > TCP/IP based, but to some extent under the control of company X. For
>> > example, the method by means of which company X retains control could
>> > be that only networks operated by company X or its "certified partner
>> > organizations" would be included in that network of networks.
>>
>>
>> This happens frequently.
>>
>> >
>> > The important difference to differentiate that kind of network from
>> > what we call the Internet would be in the area of the epiphenomenal
>> > characteristics, wouldn't it?
>>
>>
>> Why wouldn't the type of Internetwork you describe also share some of
>> those characteristics?
>>
>> >
>> > In any case, what word should be used to refer to the global ICP/IP
>> > based network of networks which currently exists together with its
>> > epiphenomena? Most people use the word "Internet". If that is one of
>> > the valid meanings of the word "Internet", then it is IMO appropriate
>> > to write a definition which explains that meaning.
>>
>>
>> When I sent the link to the Wikipedia definition, I had hoped that
>> people would read it and include the entire first sentence (and perhsp
>> the second:
>>
>> "The Internet is a global system of interconnected computer networks
>> that use the standard Internet protocol suite (TCP/IP) to serve
>> billions of users worldwide. It is a network of networks that consists
>> of millions of private, public, academic, business, and government
>> networks, of local to global scope, that are linked by a broad array
>> of electronic, wireless and optical networking technologies. "
>>
>>
>> --
>> Cheers,
>>
>> McTim
>> "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A
>> route indicates how we get there."  Jon Postel
>>
>>
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