<div dir="ltr"><div>Internet is primarily a tool, a channel of information exchange. It facilitates communication between two or more people in real time in an interactive approach. It has become a major channel as the technology does not give us another opportunity to replace the internet. "</div>
<div><br></div><div>Internet and take a political position, economic, cultural, social, scientific, etc. .. according to the user or users.</div><div><br></div><div>To have internet, you need the technical considerations and technological applications are reunies.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Internet can be used by everyone without distinction provided that the technical and technological aspects are optimal.</div><div>However, referring to the technical aspects, we use the telecoms and other infrastructure. Referring to the technological aspects, we use also the numerical programs.</div>
<div><br></div><div>When we say the Internet is a public good, WHAT WE WANT TO SAY EXACTLY?</div><div><br></div><div>The roads are also public goods even if there are private areas.</div><div><br></div><div>The real problem of the Internet is a level which in this context? this debate is very important but we need more clarity for not questioning the "information society" in the democratic sense.</div>
</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2013/4/16 Mawaki Chango <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:kichango@gmail.com" target="_blank">kichango@gmail.com</a>></span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div dir="ltr"><div><div><div><div>This may be one of the instances where the
complexity of social discourse/reality/phenomenon/experience
legitimately diverges from the productive simplicity of technical
language and definitions (note: in case that isn't enough clear, I mean simplicity in a positive way.) Obviously, for the purposes of advocacy,
social discourse and social science, we can't just limit ourselves to a
descriptive definition of Internet as a "network of networks". First of
all; there were before the Internet, and there still are, networks of
networks that are not Internet (e.g., of human beings). Now, I
understand the full definition quoted from Wikipedia specifies a lot
more than is in that one phrase, and I wouldn't object to that as a
valid definition.<br><br></div>However, concept definition is not always
only a description of facts which may qualify as either truth or false,
exclusively, and nothing else. It can also be, eg, purpose driven and
sensitive to the discursive context (so even the choice of facts, or
characteristics, to be highlighted in a definition can be framed
depending of the purpose and/or the discoursive context). The Wiki
definition focuses on computer devices and the architecture of their
relationships; even where you have social structures mentioned, they are
not so for themselves or for their social purposes but for being the
origin or the scope of the computer networks thus set up and connected.
The user at large and the societal dimensions of the Internet are
totally absent here. To your defense (or rather to the defense of those
who coined that definition or more precisely the original definition
that led to this one), they were defining, and could only define, the
Internet in its architecture, as they were building it, and it wasn't
their job to anticipate on the social reality that it will become, which
(as it has become that, that is, that "emerging reality") is now as
legitimate to define what it is (partic. for social purposes), as its
original technical architecture is (partic. for technical purposes).<br><br></div>Re.
the draft definition itself, though, while I agree that 'space' is
simpler than 'spatiality' and the value of the KISS precept (Keep It
Simple and Stupid), the latter says something more than the former, as
spatiality here does not just augment the social space as we know it,
but enables new kinds of interactions and transactions between humans,
between machines and between humans and machines. That being said, maybe
the phrase "kind of space" already conveys the idea "spatiality" (am
not too sure, so I leave this as a comment hoping it might contribute to
clarify a little more.) I also wonder whether it wouldn't be useful (I
dare not say necessary) to add something about computing capabilities or
power ('hardware' or 'software' alone does do it, does it?). I just
feel like the fact that computers have virtually limitless calculation
power and storage capability for humans' works, and are unforgetting, is
part of that emerging social reality. I am not sure how to phrase this
right now (that would be in the second sentence of the current draft
definition which I'm just reproducing below with no change, only for
convenience). So I will leave it to someone more skillful to try if they
are so inclined. <br><div class="im"><br>We recognise the Internet to be an emergent and emerging reality.<br>
As a global network of networks, it is an intricate combination of<br>
<div> hardware, software, protocols, human intentionality and a new kind<br>
</div> of social space, brought together by a common set of design<br>
principles, and constrained by policies established by due<br>
democratic processes. We consider the Internet as a global commons<br>
and a global public good. The design principles and policies that<br>
constitute its governance should, therefore, flow from such<br>
recognition of the Internet as a commons and public good.<br><br></div></div>Best,<br><br></div>Mawaki</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div><div class="h5">On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 12:46 PM, McTim <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:dogwallah@gmail.com" target="_blank">dogwallah@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
</div></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div class="h5"><div>On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 7:58 AM, Norbert Bollow <<a href="mailto:nb@bollow.ch" target="_blank">nb@bollow.ch</a>> wrote:<br>
> McTim <<a href="mailto:dogwallah@gmail.com" target="_blank">dogwallah@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
><br>
>> Again, what I object to most is that I think we are defining a thing<br>
>> by its epiphenomenal characteristics.<br>
><br>
> Suppose that a company X were to create a network of networks, possibly<br>
> TCP/IP based, but to some extent under the control of company X. For<br>
> example, the method by means of which company X retains control could<br>
> be that only networks operated by company X or its "certified partner<br>
> organizations" would be included in that network of networks.<br>
<br>
<br>
</div>This happens frequently.<br>
<div><br>
><br>
> The important difference to differentiate that kind of network from<br>
> what we call the Internet would be in the area of the epiphenomenal<br>
> characteristics, wouldn't it?<br>
<br>
<br>
</div>Why wouldn't the type of Internetwork you describe also share some of<br>
those characteristics?<br>
<div><br>
><br>
> In any case, what word should be used to refer to the global ICP/IP<br>
> based network of networks which currently exists together with its<br>
> epiphenomena? Most people use the word "Internet". If that is one of<br>
> the valid meanings of the word "Internet", then it is IMO appropriate<br>
> to write a definition which explains that meaning.<br>
<br>
<br>
</div>When I sent the link to the Wikipedia definition, I had hoped that<br>
people would read it and include the entire first sentence (and perhsp<br>
the second:<br>
<br>
"The Internet is a global system of interconnected computer networks<br>
that use the standard Internet protocol suite (TCP/IP) to serve<br>
billions of users worldwide. It is a network of networks that consists<br>
of millions of private, public, academic, business, and government<br>
networks, of local to global scope, that are linked by a broad array<br>
of electronic, wireless and optical networking technologies. "<br>
<div><div><br>
<br>
--<br>
Cheers,<br>
<br>
McTim<br>
"A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A<br>
route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel<br>
<br>
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