FW: [governance] Formal public

[michael gurstein]

Some time ago Norbert quite correctly I think, referred to the Habermas related notions of "civic/participative deliberation" and the rules that necessarily govern this. 

In those terms the IGC is a deliberative space and in more immediate terminology is a fundamental and necessary element for multistakeholder engagement (such deliberative spaces presumably being a necessary element in ensuring that multistakeholder engagement goes beyond simply corporatist deal making and becomes an on-going constituative element in participative democracy).

The question here thus, is not simply the in's and out's of a particular discussion or even a stream of discussions but rather the overall well being of the IGC as a deliberative public space.  So the matter at hand is what can best contribute to the well-being (or more particularly what must be done to prevent the destruction) of this particular deliberative space.  

My own feeling is that the tenor and structure of much of the recent interactions have not been contributory to the maintainence or successful operation of the IGC as a deliberative public space--this I believe, has much less to do with the basic disagreements between certain members (although that of course contributes) and rather more to do with different (national?) rhetorical styles/standards of political debate and overall in many cases a desire to score rhetorical points without making a substantive contribution to the overall discussion.  

My understanding is that attempting to "moderate" this is the basis for the actions of the co-coordinators and if so, then I would strongly urge the group to support their actions in this regard as contributing to the long term well-being of this space.

I should in this regard also note that the failure by a significant component of this space to engage in a discussion around a pre-eminent issue which is fundamental to our overall IG enterprise and which goes to the very core of the deliberation being conducted is an equally if not stronger negative statement and disruptive of attempts at useful deliberation and respectful communication.

Mike 

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Cc: governance at lists.igcaucus.org; McTim; Milton L Mueller; Norbert Bollow; Suresh Ramasubramanian
Subject: [governance] Formal public

English
Distinguished members of this list.
Excuse my intervention, I do like digital communicator and now, the problem is that everyone always talk and think only in technical and referred to the civil society organizations or their representatives, who are away from the computer science, technique or cybernetics .
Unfortunately here in Lima, Peru, ISOC does little or nothing to emponderar civil society, it is important to check who are the actors, and for this reason we are gathering in www.internautaperu.org noes where participating journalists, designers, layout artists , linguists, sociologists and those who can not let them participate in ISOC-PERU.
It is important that ample dialogue with other groups that have much to do not only with the technical side, but with the Internet content.
Thanks and sorry for my speech, if you break your classic and traditional scheme.
attentively

Spanish
Distinguidos miembros de esta lista.
Disculpen mi intervencion, lo hago como comunicador social y ahora digital, el problema es que siempre todos hablan y solo piensan de manera tecnica y mencionan a las organizaciones de la sociedad civil o sus representantes, quienes estan lejos de la parte informatica, tecnica o cibernetica.
Lamentablemente aqui en Lima, Peru, ISOC hace poco o nada por emponderar a la sociedad civil, es importante que se revise quienes son los actores, por esta razon ya noes estamos agrupando en www.internautaperu.org, donde participaran periodistas, diseñadores, diagramadores, filologos, sociologos y todos aquellos que no pueden ni los dejan participar en ISOC-PERU.
Es importante que se ample el dialogo a otros grupos que tienen mucho que ver no solo con la parte tecnica, sino con el contenido de Internet.
Gracias y disculpas por mi intervencion, si rompe vuestro clasico y tradicional esquema.
Atentamente
José F. Callo Romero
CEO ciencitec.com







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