[governance] RE: [IRPCoalition] Ex-White House Official Joins Group Fighting "Excessive" Online Privacy Laws

[Suresh Ramasubramanian]

Why is this restricted to "the north", to "neoliberals", or to reaganomics?  

Crony capitalism, regulatory capture (or at a more benign level, a quest to leverage to the hilt whatever loopholes the law may offer) etc are trends present worldwide, and perhaps even more so in some countries of the south that have regimes that are more amenable to a discreet transfer of cash to a swiss account, replacing the cliched old briefcase full of currency notes.

--srs (iPad)

On 03-Apr-2013, at 13:45, riaz.tayob at gmail.com wrote:

> Under neoliberal globalization, as opposed to pragmatic Keynesianism practiced by the rich countries pre  Reagan and thatcher, deregulation, or minimal regulation, has been shown in a number of sectors to favour the powerful, dominant, monopolistic or oligopolistic players in the field. 
> 
> As we see from the self imposed mess of the financial crises in the rich countries, of which revolving doors and regulatory capture and criminal immunity are key features, fragmentation of governance), complexity (regulators could not understand the complex products they were selling, not even the CEOs knew what they were in fact) and direct participation of foxes guarding the hen houses were key elements of the strategy to ensure big finance made a buck, the public interest be damned (quite literally). 
> 
> There is a need for cooperation, however codified, but it very much depends on how the issue is framed. But with clear advantages to some players in the current arrangements I would be much inclined to hear from the likes of Curran about his ideas of representation and framing as there is some values convergence, as opposed to views that are valid but IMHO mere defenders of the status quo who often are laggard when it comes even to the dynamism that icann shows. 
> 
> So MG, do not be dissuaded by calls to precision as the gist of what you say is in the right direction. After all, at some point we must simply agree to disagree, and deepen the analysis. 
> 
> ...,...
> 
> On 03 Apr 2013, at 1:25 AM, "michael gurstein" <gurstein at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> You are right, a wee bit too cryptic...
>> 
>> To rephrase "And what better way (for those who are benefiting from the
>> current status quo and its absence of regulation) than to ensure that there
>> are no global regulatory frameworks or mechanisms that will ultimately need
>> to be captured" (shall we call it the "prophylactic strategy")?
>> 
>> M
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
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>> [mailto:governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org] On Behalf Of Milton L Mueller
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>> Subject: [governance] RE: [IRPCoalition] Ex-White House Official Joins Group
>> Fighting "Excessive" Online Privacy Laws
>> 
>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> 
>>> And what better way to ensure regulatory capture at the global level 
>>> than to ensure that there are no global regulatory frameworks or 
>>> mechanisms that will ultimately need to be captured?
>> 
>> [Milton L Mueller]  Um. Either I don't understand what you are saying or you
>> don't quite understand the concept of regulatory capture. We can have a
>> coherent debate on "we need global regulation" vs. "we don't need it", and
>> we can have a coherent debate about whether regulatory agency X has or has
>> not been captured, but I would submit that the assertion above is literally
>> meaningless.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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