[Chapter-delegates] [governance] Bangladesh Govt blocks YouTube

Carlos Vera Quintana cveraq at gmail.com
Wed Sep 19 12:01:36 EDT 2012


>From my point of view the content shouldn't be related to the media or cloud (container)

Google or hp or X company are private companies and have to have the right to decide what and what not publish. Of course in legal terms their face some legal issues as container... Even if they can not be responsible for third part publications, except when warned or enforced by law to shutdown some service o to block some content.

Free expression has nothing to do with "publish whatever you want without being responsible for that" because there will be always a subsequent responsibility for owner, publisher or container.

We are here in ethical arena where we must use logical and common sense.. and more when there are evidences of negative consequences all around the world for some content or publication.

Carlos Vera
Internet Society Ecuador

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El 19/09/2012, a las 10:49, "Carlos M. Martinez" <carlosmarcelomartinez at gmail.com> escribió:

> Agreed. I don't think Google (or any other organization for that matter) should have either the 'right' nor the obligation of policing content. It's a very dangerous slippery slope that quickly leads to restrictions on freedom of expression and other crackdowns on content on the name of 'safety' or 'religion'.
> 
> Additionally, if the community should choose to follow this path of content policing, it will quickly become unmanageable as there are thousands of possible communities that might find themselves 'offended' by something or other that other community says. 
> 
> Someone mentioned before, Google has 'big pockets' and could possibly maintain an army of censors, each trained on the particulars of different religions and cultures trying to flag content as 'possibly offensive'. If you make this a requirement, where does this leave smaller content providers?  What about individual bloggers? What about individual Facebook profiles? Should they be policed too? 
> 
> As Mr. McNamara puts it, nobody is being forced to watch the video. And I can't help but feel that the video is just an excuse useful for getting people on the streets for political reasons. This is not the first time this has happened. Off the top of my head, without doing any research, I can remember the Danish cartoons, and way before that, even before the Internet went commercial, it was Salman Rushdie and the 'Satanic Verses'.
> 
> So, personally, I don't think the problem here lies with the Internet or with Google, or with Wikipedia. They may be the symptom, but there are deeper issues at play.
> 
> Warm regards,
> 
> ~Carlos
> 
> On 9/19/12 4:20 AM, G. S. McNamara       wrote:
>> I completely disagree. Simply because a group of people have an issue with the content does not mean that the it should be banned from the Internet or removed at the source. Those people can simply avoid viewing the content themselves, instead of asking that it be removed for the whole world. 
>> 
>> Google has a policy to remove content that has threats in it. However, if people become violent in response to a video, that is beyond their control. 
>> 
>> I am only speaking for myself.
>> 
>> Garrett McNamara
>> 
>> 
>> On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 3:09 AM, Faisal Hasan <hasansf at gmail.com>                 wrote:
>> Dear All,
>> 
>> I have been closely following the conversations thats going on about this topic. Thanks to those who have replied or following this discussion. I completely agree with Chaitanya's point. Also, thanks to Ian Peter for the article by Tim Wu, that truly outlines a possible solution.
>> 
>> As advocates of free and open Internet that serves the good of humanity, global Internet Society and IGC can come together and play our roles. We can definitely provide a join statement about the issue and we can start a working group who will work together to devise a possible solution. Let us put forward our names (or chapters) who wants to work together.
>> 
>> Thanks
>> Faisal
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 12:23 PM, Ian Peter <ian.peter at ianpeter.com> wrote:
>> In this context people might find this article by Tim Wu interesting in that it outlines some of the current Google/You Tube principles and suggests improvements based on a Wikipedia style model
>> 
>> http://www.tnr.com/blog/plank/107404/when-censorship-makes-sense-how-youtube-should-police-hate-speech#
>> 
>> Ian Peter
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> From: Chaitanya Dhareshwar <chaitanyabd at gmail.com>
>> Reply-To: <governance at lists.igcaucus.org>, Chaitanya Dhareshwar <chaitanyabd at gmail.com>
>> Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 11:29:58 +0530
>> To: <governance at lists.igcaucus.org>, "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" <salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com>
>> Cc: Tapani Tarvainen <tapani.tarvainen at effi.org>
>> Subject: Re: [governance] Bangladesh Govt blocks YouTube
>> 
>> I think we all agree
>>  
>> 1. Freedom of speech is important
>> 2. What is said must be carefully said - if it's likely to hurt the sentiments of the masses ("perceived compliance") something should be done to prevent that hurt sentiment - strongest being censorship (but what other measures could be used? - as Riaz said  'Reasonable' measures)
>> 3. Service providers like youtube (google) that have a large reach and huge client base                             should consider possible methods to prevent hate/racist/etc messages (measures werent mentioned - we could work on this)
>> 4. Governments need to know there are measures (point 2 & 3) that can be used without opting for censorship - as Faisal                             said we need to do our part on this or Governments will probably opt for blanket censorship
>> 5. Violence and censorship are not viable solutions - the damage is just too great
>>  
>> -C
>> 
>> On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 11:22 AM, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro <salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 5:47 PM, Tapani Tarvainen <tapani.tarvainen at effi.org> wrote:
>> On Sep 19 16:26, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro (salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com) wrote:
>> 
>> > > I thought the topic was a                                 possible caucus statement on the censorship
>> > > of youtube, and I've tried to stick to that.
>> > > And if it hasn't become clear yet, I would support a statement
>> > > condemning violence but not one demanding censorship.
>> 
>> > @ Tapani there was never any discussion on demanding censorship
>> 
>> I must have misunderstood some messages, then.
>> My apologies for all concerned.
>> 
>> We are all advocates of an open and free internet at least I think we are. Developing a statement will help to give us an opportunity to craft messages about our position in the midst of the turmoil. How we wordsmith would be collaborative but first it has to resonate within the IGC. If the general consensus is not to develop a statement, then we won't.
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