<html><head></head><body bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><div>From my point of view the content shouldn't be related to the media or cloud (container)</div><div><br></div><div>Google or hp or X company are private companies and have to have the right to decide what and what not publish. Of course in legal terms their face some legal issues as container... Even if they can not be responsible for third part publications, except when warned or enforced by law to shutdown some service o to block some content.</div><div><br></div><div>Free expression has nothing to do with "publish whatever you want without being responsible for that" because there will be always a subsequent responsibility for owner, publisher or container.</div><div><br></div><div>We are here in ethical arena where we must use logical and common sense.. and more when there are evidences of negative consequences all around the world for some content or publication.</div><div><br></div><div>Carlos Vera</div><div>Internet Society Ecuador<br><br>Enviado desde mi iPhone</div><div><br>El 19/09/2012, a las 10:49, "Carlos M. Martinez" <<a href="mailto:carlosmarcelomartinez@gmail.com">carlosmarcelomartinez@gmail.com</a>> escribió:<br><br></div><div></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>
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Agreed. I don't think Google (or any other organization for that
matter) should have either the 'right' nor the obligation of
policing content. It's a very dangerous slippery slope that quickly
leads to restrictions on freedom of expression and other crackdowns
on content on the name of 'safety' or 'religion'.<br>
<br>
Additionally, if the community should choose to follow this path of
content policing, it will quickly become unmanageable as there are
thousands of possible communities that might find themselves
'offended' by something or other that other community says. <br>
<br>
Someone mentioned before, Google has 'big pockets' and could
possibly maintain an army of censors, each trained on the
particulars of different religions and cultures trying to flag
content as 'possibly offensive'. If you make this a requirement,
where does this leave smaller content providers? What about
individual bloggers? What about individual Facebook profiles? Should
they be policed too? <br>
<br>
As Mr. McNamara puts it, nobody is being forced to watch the video.
And I can't help but feel that the video is just an excuse useful
for getting people on the streets for political reasons. This is not
the first time this has happened. Off the top of my head, without
doing any research, I can remember the Danish cartoons, and way
before that, even before the Internet went commercial, it was Salman
Rushdie and the 'Satanic Verses'.<br>
<br>
So, personally, I don't think the problem here lies with the
Internet or with Google, or with Wikipedia. They may be the symptom,
but there are deeper issues at play.<br>
<br>
Warm regards,<br>
<br>
~Carlos<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 9/19/12 4:20 AM, G. S. McNamara
wrote:<br>
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<blockquote cite="mid:CAAsS5mqBuztvxft0K2T7XC7j3eMJdSu6RpN5nwo0LJjqBE06uQ@mail.gmail.com" type="cite">I completely disagree. Simply because a group of
people have an issue with the content does not mean that the it
should be banned from the Internet or removed at the source. Those
people can simply avoid viewing the content themselves, instead of
asking that it be removed for the whole world.
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<div>Google has a policy to remove content that has threats in it.
However, if people become violent in response to a video, that
is beyond their control. <br>
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<div>I am only speaking for myself.</div>
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<div>Garrett McNamara<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 3:09 AM,
Faisal Hasan <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:hasansf@gmail.com" target="_blank">hasansf@gmail.com</a>></span>
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All,<br>
<br>
I have been closely following the conversations thats
going on about this topic. Thanks to those who have
replied or following this discussion. I completely
agree with Chaitanya's point. Also, thanks to Ian
Peter for the article by Tim Wu, that truly outlines a
possible solution.<br>
<br>
As advocates of free and open Internet that serves the
good of humanity, global Internet Society and IGC can
come together and play our roles. We can definitely
provide a join statement about the issue and we can
start a working group who will work together to devise
a possible solution. Let us put forward our names (or
chapters) who wants to work together.<br>
<br>
Thanks<br>
Faisal<br>
<br>
<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 12:23
PM, Ian Peter <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:ian.peter@ianpeter.com" target="_blank">ian.peter@ianpeter.com</a>></span>
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<font face="Calibri, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><span style="font-size:11pt">In this context
people might find this article by Tim Wu
interesting in that it outlines some of the
current Google/You Tube principles and
suggests improvements based on a Wikipedia
style model<br>
<br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.tnr.com/blog/plank/107404/when-censorship-makes-sense-how-youtube-should-police-hate-speech#" target="_blank">http://www.tnr.com/blog/plank/107404/when-censorship-makes-sense-how-youtube-should-police-hate-speech#</a><br>
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Ian Peter<br>
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<hr align="CENTER" size="3" width="95%"><b>From:
</b>Chaitanya Dhareshwar <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://chaitanyabd@gmail.com" target="_blank">chaitanyabd@gmail.com</a>><br>
<b>Reply-To: </b><<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://governance@lists.igcaucus.org" target="_blank">governance@lists.igcaucus.org</a>>,
Chaitanya Dhareshwar <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://chaitanyabd@gmail.com" target="_blank">chaitanyabd@gmail.com</a>><br>
<b>Date: </b>Wed, 19 Sep 2012 11:29:58
+0530<br>
<b>To: </b><<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://governance@lists.igcaucus.org" target="_blank">governance@lists.igcaucus.org</a>>,
"Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro@gmail.com" target="_blank">salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro@gmail.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc: </b>Tapani Tarvainen <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://tapani.tarvainen@effi.org" target="_blank">tapani.tarvainen@effi.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [governance] Bangladesh
Govt blocks YouTube<br>
<br>
I think we all agree<br>
<br>
1. Freedom of speech is important<br>
2. What is said must be carefully said - if
it's likely to hurt the sentiments of the
masses ("perceived compliance") something
should be done to prevent that hurt
sentiment - strongest being censorship (but
what other measures could be used? - as Riaz
said 'Reasonable' measures)<br>
3. Service providers like youtube (google)
that have a large reach and huge client base
should consider possible methods to prevent
hate/racist/etc messages (measures werent
mentioned - we could work on this)<br>
4. Governments need to know there are
measures (point 2 & 3) that can be used
without opting for censorship - as Faisal
said we need to do our part on this or
Governments will probably opt for blanket
censorship<br>
5. Violence and censorship are not viable
solutions - the damage is just too great<br>
<br>
-C<br>
<br>
On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 11:22 AM, Salanieta
T. Tamanikaiwaimaro <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro@gmail.com" target="_blank">salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro@gmail.com</a>>
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On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 5:47 PM, Tapani
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Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro (<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro@gmail.com" target="_blank">salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro@gmail.com</a>)
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> > I thought the topic was a
possible caucus statement on the
censorship<br>
> > of youtube, and I've tried to
stick to that.<br>
> > And if it hasn't become clear
yet, I would support a statement<br>
> > condemning violence but not
one demanding censorship.<br>
<br>
> @ Tapani there was never any
discussion on demanding censorship<br>
<br>
I must have misunderstood some messages,
then.<br>
My apologies for all concerned.<br>
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We are all advocates of an open and free
internet at least I think we are.
Developing a statement will help to give
us an opportunity to craft messages about
our position in the midst of the turmoil.
How we wordsmith would be collaborative
but first it has to resonate within the
IGC. If the general consensus is not to
develop a statement, then we won't.<br>
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--<br>
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