[governance] Bangladesh Govt blocks YouTube

[Chaitanya Dhareshwar]

Hi Tapani,

Ref point #2,


> I would have to agree, however, if your suggesting _their governments_
> may think like that and are thus likely to resort to censorship unless
> some easier ways are available, as suggested by your point 4 below.
>

Yes that's pretty much what I mean - but "government or other controlling
entity". I specifically mention the other controlling entity due to the
nature of the internet.

-C

On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 12:28 PM, Tapani Tarvainen <
tapani.tarvainen at effi.org> wrote:

> On Sep 19 11:29, Chaitanya Dhareshwar (chaitanyabd at gmail.com) wrote:
>
> > I think we all agree
> >
> > 1. Freedom of speech is important
>
> Yes.
>
> > 2. What is said must be carefully said - if it's likely to hurt the
> > sentiments of the masses ("perceived compliance") something should be
> done
> > to prevent that hurt sentiment - strongest being censorship (but what
> other
> > measures could be used? - as Riaz said  'Reasonable' measures)
>
> I'm not sure I agree with that. It isn't always possible or indeed
> even useful to prevent hurting someone's sentiments in the first place,
> and moreover attempts to do so can cause much bigger damage in the long
> term.
> People believe in the strangest things and someone's sentiments can be
> hurt by more or less anything, notably by any suggestion that some
> of their ideas are wrong - and *everybody* has some wrong ideas.
> (I'm sure I have, I just don't know which ones.)
>
> But, I'm rather offended by the word "masses" there.
> It's as if the people concerned were somehow subhuman, unable to
> think for themselves, undeserving of human rights such as
> Freedom of Expression - which includes the right to freely _receive_
> information, in order to judge it for themselves.
>
> If you argue "masses" should not hear about or see something like the
> video in question, that they would be better of not knowing about it,
> you are in effect saying they should not be granted full human rights
> because they're incompetent to handle them.
>
> I would have to agree, however, if your suggesting _their governments_
> may think like that and are thus likely to resort to censorship unless
> some easier ways are available, as suggested by your point 4 below.
>
> Also, with all that said, I appreciate the need to strive for more
> courteous ways of arguing over disagreements and would very much like
> to seek any non-violent, not-government-enforced means to encourage such.
> And "reasonable measures" to reduce hurting people's sentiments
> unnecessarily sounds good.
>
> > 3. Service providers like youtube (google) that have a large reach and
> huge
> > client base should consider possible methods to prevent hate/racist/etc
> > messages (measures werent mentioned - we could work on this)
>
> I could agree with that, although it depends on the details -
> I'm not sure we can come up with anything really useful.
>
> > 4. Governments need to know there are measures (point 2 & 3) that can be
> > used without opting for censorship - as Faisal said we need to do our
> part
> > on this or Governments will probably opt for blanket censorship
>
> Sigh. I must concede you could be right there,even though there's
> a strong stench of "realpolitik" in there that makes my stomach turn.
> But I'm old enough to know that compromises are sometimes necessary,
> and could support something based on that notion.
> Again, details are crucial.
>
> > 5. Violence and censorship are not viable solutions - the damage is just
> > too great
>
> Full agreement here.
>
> --
> Tapani Tarvainen
>
>
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