[governance] Re: Facebook and the nipplegate: New Yorker temporarily banned

[William Drake]

Hi Marilia

On Sep 16, 2012, at 21:37, Marilia Maciel <mariliamaciel at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Bill, 
> 
> What is more important than what is a highly arguable,

If you say vagina on FaceBook, do police come to your place in the middle of the night, toss you in jail, and throw away the key?  Do they harass your friends and family and anyone else who's been associated with you?  And are you unable to read about vaginas anywhere else on the net because they they get hypersensitive about what's on their site due to government pressures?

> and, in my opinion, fruitless debate. Ask any woman who has been engaged in activism on sexual and reproductive rights the importance of this globally omnipresent company's censorship on the word "vagina". 

I certainly agree it's dumb.  Why not try to mobilize FB users who care about this and start a dialogue, put some pressure on FB?
> 
> In addition, in my opinion, private censorship can be much more dangerous exactly because they do not come from imposition (rough power), but from soft power. To organize and resist soft power and to distinguish where "the enemy lies" is much harder. Conservative ideas get embedded in our minds before we have the chance to question them. It is certainly easier to identify that "chinese firewall is bad". 

I don't think it is conservative to point out that people are rotting in jails and otherwise seriously repressed by that firewall and actions like it.
> 
> I hope we learn to split our attention among these important cases of censorship more wisely.

Agreed

Best 

Bill
> 
> Marília
> 
> On Sun, Sep 16, 2012 at 4:24 PM, William Drake <william.drake at uzh.ch> wrote:
> Maybe because the cases pale in comparison to the types of repression said FoE fighters tend to focus on, and because people can mobilize to redress them if they care enough without having to resort to intergovernmental politics?
> 
> Bill
> 
> On Sep 16, 2012, at 21:07, Marilia Maciel <mariliamaciel at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> More censorship. From Apple, this time. I wonder why FoE fighters do not seem to care as much when censorship comes from the private sector, which has a much more subtle (and efficient) way to affect standards of right, wrong and morality.
>> 
>> http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/2012/sep/13/naomi-wolf-vagina-apple-itunes-censors
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>> On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 5:12 PM, Marilia Maciel <mariliamaciel at gmail.com> wrote:
>> A funnier way to continue the discussion about FB policy and their awkward views on nudity.
>> 
>> http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/cartoonists/2012/09/nipplegate-why-the-new-yorker-cartoon-department-is-about-to-be-banned-from-facebook.html?currentPage=all
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