[governance] U.S. - Japan Policy Cooperation Dialogue on the Internet Economy
Chaitanya Dhareshwar
chaitanyabd at gmail.com
Mon Oct 22 22:08:24 EDT 2012
Hi Alex,
I'm not blaming developing countries (or developed countries or anything
else) here - its just that even when these facilities are provided and
available the buyers are few. My example CtrlS is on par with Softlayer in
most ways - except most importantly it's location.
End of the day getting the system up from the investment capital and
ensuring it has a workable revenue stream become quite different - and
without the revenue stream even the best won't be *able to *be there very
long.
-C
On Tue, Oct 23, 2012 at 12:36 AM, Dr. Alejandro Pisanty Baruch <
apisan at unam.mx> wrote:
> Chaitanya,
>
> let me tell you a short story about clouds and grids in the real world.
>
> Several years ago in the consortium for the Internet-2 project in Mexico
> I (while Academic-CIO at UNAM) got funds for a project, the Metropolitan
> Supercomputing Delta, which would interconnect three supercomputers at high
> speed (ours was a Top-500 when purchased, 1,300 processors.) The key to the
> design was that the communication between the computers would never be more
> than an order of magnitude slower than the fiber inside the computers so we
> would not be working with batch jobs but some level of synched computing
> power for big science problems like computerized fluid dynamics, quantum
> chemistry, etc.
>
> This would become a National Reference Laboratory and a great place to
> train people in grids and a stepping stone toward provisioning cloud
> computing. The project was authorized but the funds were not released for
> several years (in the meantime I left that job.) Well, it's 2012 and it's
> beginning to work because it took years to go across the regulations to do
> things like dig trenches to cross a sidewalk between a university and the
> subway to connect to a fiber there and other stuff like that. Inefficiency,
> bureaucracy, lack of vision, petty politics, all played a role.
>
> Darned missed opportunity, darned high opportunity cost: we never got to
> train, hands-on and in critical, bleeding edfe, operations, the several
> hundred engineers we would have.
>
> Is this the fault of the ugly imperialists out there? Or will we admit
> that in developing countries we have some laundry of our own to wash before
> blaming it all on them?
>
> Why can't we, quoting you, "pull up excellent network speeds and stable
> datacenters" while "they" can?
>
> Alejandro Pisanty
>
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> *Desde:* governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org [
> governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org] en nombre de Chaitanya Dhareshwar [
> chaitanyabd at gmail.com]
> *Enviado el:* lunes, 22 de octubre de 2012 10:35
> *Hasta:* governance at lists.igcaucus.org; Jean-Louis FULLSACK
> *CC:* parminder
> *Asunto:* Re: [governance] U.S. - Japan Policy Cooperation Dialogue on
> the Internet Economy
>
> Increasing the digital divide more like - the fastest clouds would be
> in the most developed countries and thus the entire "cloud computing
> investment" will go: to the most developed countries.
>
> Unless the less developed ones are able to pull up excellent network
> speeds and stable datacenters.
>
> How many people here would choose CtrlS over Softlayer(Theplanet)?
>
> -C
>
> On Mon, Oct 22, 2012 at 5:56 PM, Jean-Louis FULLSACK <
> jlfullsack at orange.fr> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Isn't this a joke :
>>
>>
>>
>> ........For these reasons, industry representatives suggested the
>> following activities:
>>
>> > · U.S-Japan collaboration for establishing an international framework
>> to support cloud computing.
>>
>> > · Promoting the use of cloud computing in developing countries and
>> reducing the digital divide.
>>
>>
>>
>> Either these prominent experts from Japan and US never were staying in
>> African countries or they try to make us laughing ! I imagine the worries
>> of Internet users in these countries with cloud based Internet networking
>> in Cameroons or in Senegal (and a lot of others). For sure : they won't
>> laugh at all !
>>
>>
>>
>> Best
>>
>>
>>
>> Jean-Louis Fullsack
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > Message du 22/10/12 09:44
>> > De : "parminder"
>> > A : governance at lists.igcaucus.org
>> > Copie à :
>> > Objet : Re: [governance] U.S. - Japan Policy Cooperation Dialogue on
>> the Internet Economy
>>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> On Sunday 21 October 2012 09:50 PM, Fahd A. Batayneh wrote:
>> >
>>
>> The United States and Japan held the fourth Director General-level
>> meeting of the U.S.-Japan Policy Cooperation Dialogue on the Internet
>> Economy in Washington, D.C.
>> >
>> >
>> http://www.yumanewsnow.com/index.php/news/latest/1450-u-s-japan-policy-cooperation-dialogue-on-the-internet-economy
>> >
>>
>>
>> > From the agreement text:
>> >
>> >
>>
>> Encouraging other countries to develop principles consistent with the
>> “United States-Japan Trade Principles for Information and Communication
>> Technology Services.
>> >
>>
>>
>> > SNIP
>> >
>> >
>>
>> ........For these reasons, industry representatives suggested the
>> following activities:
>>
>> > · U.S-Japan collaboration for establishing an international framework
>> to support cloud computing.
>>
>> > · Promoting the use of cloud computing in developing countries and
>> reducing the digital divide.
>>
>> > · Considering a range of policy issues, including: privacy, cloud
>> computing security, digital content, interoperability, and portability.
>>
>>
>> > (quotes end)
>> >
>> > So rich countries merely go along developing 'global' principles for
>> the Internet, and to 'encourage' other countries to follow / adopt them.
>> Industry reps too want them to develop '*international *framework to
>> support cloud computing', to promote use of cloud computing in developing
>> countries, and to consider a range of policy issues....
>> >
>> > And when proposals like UN CIRP are made with a view to address these
>> global Internet policy issues at globally democratic spaces, not only these
>> developed countries, most hypocritically, cry foul, so does the industry
>> (here seen actively encouraging developed countries to do exactly the same
>> kind of work), and also, most disappointingly, the so called global IG
>> civil society.
>> >
>> > Perhaps it is time the global IG civil society stop being the B team of
>> developed countries' political and economic interests and really take up
>> the interests of the more marginalised that it is supposed to represent.
>> They need to develop an independent global IG agenda to be championed by
>> the civil society, which looks like something worth championing by civil
>> society.
>> >
>> > Does anyone here have answers why they remain silent with regard to the
>> active work of rich countries to develop 'global' Internet policy
>> principles, and react so rabidly to any effort at democratising global
>> Internet policy making. Fine if they dont like the CIRP proposal, come up
>> with something else. But the complicit silence is deafening.
>> >
>> > parminder
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>> > Fahd
>> >
>>
>>
>> >
>>
>>
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