AW: [governance] Re: [igf_members] Proposal: Human Rights Roundtable

["Kleinwächter, Wolfgang"]

The difference is that human rights are natural rights (own by the indivdual him/herself). Human rights are not "given" by government, it is that the governments have a legal obligation to respect and promote human rights. Consumer rights are contractual rights between a producer/service provider and a user/consumer based on general legislation provided by the government/parliament.  
 
wolfgang

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Von: governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org im Auftrag von Jean-Louis FULLSACK
Gesendet: Mo 22.10.2012 14:03
An: governance at lists.igcaucus.org; IzumiAIZU
Betreff: re: [governance] Re: [igf_members] Proposal: Human Rights Roundtable



 

 

I fully support Parminder's point (2). Consumer rights are mostly related to a specific product/service provided by a public or mostly by a business entity, and there are different/specific regulations and legislation in each country for settling these disputes. Let's not confuse rights that are basically different unless we dissolve HR in a mess of ordinary isssues.

 

Best

 

Jean-Louis Fullsack 






	> Message du 20/10/12 15:38
	> De : "Izumi AIZU" 
	> A : "governance" 
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	> Objet : [governance] Re: [igf_members] Proposal: Human Rights Roundtable
	> 
	> Any views or comments? 

	>
	Izumi

	> 2012?10?20???? parminder parminder at itforchange.net:
	> 

		Dear Izumi/ All
		> 
		> I suggest that we request the organiser of the human rights round table to
		> 
		> (1) include social, economic and cultural rights in the background note and the discussions (if specific instances of such rights are needed we can mention, right to access/use the Internet, net neutrality - or the right to have the information, communication or content contributed by any one to the Internet equally as any other, linguistic and other cultural rights vis a vis the domain name system and so on). Also mention indivisibility of human rights as the WSIS documents do.
		> 
		> (2) Not to foreground consumer rights in a human rights write up. Preferably not to mention it al all, for consumer rights are not human rights. Certainly not in UN usage. 
		> 
		> Thanks and best, parminder 
		> 
		> 
		On Friday 19 October 2012 06:16 AM, Izumi AIZU wrote:
		>

			Dear Parminder and all,
			
			I thought it is worth asking the list if we support this round table in general.
			
			Whether consumer rights be part of Human right or not is of course important,
			and worth a debate.
			
			While the organizer will have their position, I think we, IGC do not
			have to make a single position on this issue for support or not. As we
			know, there are different
			situations/contexts on consumer right issues around the globe, as well as access
			to Internet and other Internet issues, I think it is worth to have
			such round table
			and discuss in depth, rather than making one position beforehand.
			
			best,
			
			izumi
			
			2012/10/18 parminder :

				Dear Izumi,
				
				As you know I have submitted a detailed comment on this proposal to the MAG
				list which I will presently forward. I havent got any response from the
				organisers, which I still hope will come. I think we should wait for their
				response before we can form a view on it. However, if you support the idea
				whether any clarification is provided on my comments
				or not, you can make the case for that here.
				
				Best regards, parminder
				
				
				On Thursday 18 October 2012 06:50 AM, Izumi AIZU wrote:
				
				Dear list,
				
				APC has proposed this and I think IGC should support this.
				
				Comments welcome.
				
				izumi
				
				

			 


		>

	
	> 
	> -- 
	>                      >> Izumi Aizu <<
	> Institute for InfoSocionomics, Tama University, Tokyo
	> Institute for HyperNetwork Society, Oita,          
	> Japan
	> www.anr.org <http://www.anr.org/> 
	> 
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