[governance] CS Speakers for Baku
Robert Guerra
rguerra at privaterra.org
Wed Oct 31 22:55:24 EDT 2012
Let's be clear, I don't have an issue with the people that were selected. Just the process, or lack of one, that was used.
Suggest we focus on a way to develop a far more transparent and in dependant process next time
Robert
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On 2012-10-31, at 9:30 PM, Izumi AIZU wrote:
> It is in part my fault for not wrapping up the discussion quickly, to
> select the speakers
> and liaise to the Secretariat. So sorry about this delay.
>
> I guess IGF Secretariat chose one from IGC members and another one from non-IGC.
>
> They had indicated that the speaker does not have to be IGC member per se.
>
> IGC is not the sole representative of the Civil Society for IGF.
>
> Yet I believe Valentina will also be an excellent speaker, especially from
> Central/East Europe.
>
>
> izumi
>
>
>
> 2012/11/1 shaila mistry <shailam at yahoo.com>:
>> me too :)
>>
>> The journey begins sooner than you anticipate !
>> ..................... the renaissance of composure !
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro <salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com>
>>
>> To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org; Robert Guerra <rguerra at privaterra.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2012 3:40 PM
>> Subject: Re: [governance] CS Speakers for Baku
>>
>> yes it took me by surprise as well Mawaki. :O
>>
>> Sala
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 11:29 AM, Robert Guerra <rguerra at privaterra.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> To be honest, in my opinion, the process to select speakers for the main
>> opening session has seemed ad-hoc at best.
>>
>> Would have expected a far more deliberate process along the lines that the
>> caucus reviews, recommends and nominates persons for the MAG.
>>
>> Robert
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>> On 2012-10-31, at 6:09 PM, Mawaki Chango wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> ... Still, I'm not sure I understand the process that got us
>>> nominating people and end up with a name that was never mentioned here
>>> (this is nothing personal). Were there other CS groups that had been
>>> running the same nomination process? Is this at the discretion of the
>>> Secretariat? And what happens now to the idea of collectively prepared
>>> discourse or talking points, and to Milton's good start on that?
>>>
>>> Just asking.
>>>
>>> mawaki
>>>
>>> On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 8:58 PM, Nnenna <nne75 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I think Carlos and Valentina make a great pair.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers
>>>>
>>>> N
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Nnenna Nwakanma | Founder and CEO, NNENNA.ORG | Consultants
>>>> Information | Communications | Technology and Events | for Development
>>>> Cote d'Ivoire (+225)| Tel: 225 27144 | Fax 224 26471 |Mob. 07416820
>>>> Ghana: +233 249561345| Nigeria: +234 8101887065| http://www.nnenna.org
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>>>>
>>>> ________________________________
>>>> From: Carlos A. Afonso <ca at cafonso.ca>
>>>> To: william.drake at uzh.ch; glaser at cgi.br
>>>> Cc: governance at lists.igcaucus.org
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2012 8:32 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: Re: [governance] CS Speakers for Baku
>>>>
>>>> :)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Carlos A. Afonso
>>>>
>>>> William Drake <william.drake at uzh.ch> escreveu:
>>>> My apologies to Carlos, I cut and paste from someone else's email
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Oct 31, 2012, at 8:05 PM, Hartmut Richard Glaser wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Correct name is => Carlos Alberto Afonso ...
>>>>
>>>> ==========================================
>>>> On 31/10/12 17:04, William Drake wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi
>>>>
>>>> The secretariat has invited Carlos Alfonso for the opening session and
>>>> Valentina Pellizzer for the closing session.
>>>>
>>>> Bill
>>>>
>>>> On Oct 31, 2012, at 10:37 AM, Izumi AIZU wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Dear list,
>>>>
>>>> Sorry for not following this up earlier. Just too many things to do.
>>>>
>>>> Though I said we may run a poll, I guess Carlos is already our de facto
>>>> speaker,
>>>> and Nnnena seems to have received good support and fulfills the gender
>>>> balance
>>>> and also from developing region.
>>>>
>>>> And as Ginger rightly suggested both speakers will take up the talking
>>>> points
>>>> into their text, with some degree of, of course, their own words to be
>>>> added.
>>>>
>>>> May I ask you if this is our rough consensus?
>>>>
>>>> Many thanks,
>>>>
>>>> izumi
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 2012/10/11 William Drake <william.drake at uzh.ch>:
>>>>
>>>> it's what they're sending registrants
>>>>
>>>> On Oct 11, 2012, at 8:42 AM, Katy P wrote:
>>>>
>>>> What? When did this happen?
>>>>
>>>> On Oct 11, 2012 8:24 AM, "William Drake" <william.drake at uzh.ch> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> In light of the host country's jaw dropping decision to publicly
>>>> disseminate all participants' passport numbers, I hope whoever we have
>>>> speaking in the opening an closing will emphasize the centrality of
>>>> personal
>>>> privacy protection in Internet governance.
>>>>
>>>> Best
>>>>
>>>> Bill
>>>>
>>>> On Oct 10, 2012, at 5:10 AM, Nnenna wrote:
>>>>
>>>> +1 On each of the points below. I am currently in the Côte d'Ivoire
>>>> Internet Governance Forum and my drafting capacity is limited. However,
>>>> I
>>>> would like to see a line that extends "Multistakeholderism" down to
>>>> active
>>>> national participation of all stakeholders. AFAIK, in as much as in some
>>>> countries, the government is weighing in, in ways that may appear
>>>> overbearing, in others, the decision-makers are actually note interested
>>>> or
>>>> think it is an NGO thing.
>>>>
>>>> Can we have a "Development Agenda" paragraph? I am also thinking that
>>>> "Participation" may also need to be a paragraph of its own
>>>>
>>>> Best
>>>>
>>>> Nnenna
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Nnenna Nwakanma | Founder and CEO, NNENNA.ORG
>>>> | Consultants
>>>> Information | Communications | Technology and Events | for Development
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>>>> Ghana: +233 249561345| Nigeria: +234 8101887065| http://www.nnenna.org/
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>>>>
>>>> ________________________________
>>>> From: Milton L Mueller <mueller at syr.edu>
>>>> To: 'Ginger Paque' <ginger at paque.net>; "governance at lists.igcaucus.org"
>>>> <governance at lists.igcaucus.org>
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 9, 2012 9:07 PM
>>>> Subject: RE: [governance] CS Speakers for Baku
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> From: gpaque at gmail.com [mailto:gpaque at gmail.com] On Behalf Of Ginger
>>>> Paque
>>>>
>>>> I think that both points are important... I would say 'in addition to'
>>>> not
>>>> 'rather than'. Whom we choose sends a signal as sometimes as significant
>>>> as
>>>> their words, and we tend to know their general positions as well as
>>>> speaking
>>>> abilities when we nominate them.
>>>>
>>>> Ginger and colleagues:
>>>> Yes, of course it is "in addition to" not "rather than" - but has there
>>>> been any substantive discussion yet? Frankly I think what they say is
>>>> more
>>>> important than who we choose, but agree that in some cases "the medium is
>>>> the message." At any rate we are long on "who" and rather short on
>>>> "what"
>>>> at the moment, so…
>>>>
>>>> let me throw out three short statements on issues that I passionately
>>>> believe should be addressed. In doing so, I will make an attempt to
>>>> address
>>>> them in a way that takes into account the differences among us and hope
>>>> others do so in the same spirit. Other candidate topics would include
>>>> IPR,
>>>> development…I defer to others there.
>>>>
>>>> Human rights
>>>> CS believes that the absence of gatekeepers and the open, global
>>>> communication enabled by the Internet realizes the promise of Article 19
>>>> of
>>>> the UN UDHR. To erect (national) legal barriers to the free flow of
>>>> information is a bad idea and contrary to the individual human right to
>>>> freedom of expression. We therefore oppose efforts to create "national
>>>> Internets," or to block and filter internet access in ways that deny
>>>> individuals access to applications, content and services of their choice.
>>>> All attempts to deem certain forms of communication and information
>>>> illegal
>>>> and remove them must follow established, transparent processes of law and
>>>> should not involve prior restraint.
>>>>
>>>> Security and Securitization
>>>> CS opposes efforts to militarize the Internet, or any actions that would
>>>> foster a destructive and wasteful cyber arms race among governments
>>>> and/or
>>>> private actors. We consider the surreptitious use of exploits and malware
>>>> for surveillance or attacks to be criminal regardless of whether they are
>>>> deployed by governments, private corporations or organized criminals. We
>>>> are
>>>> skeptical of efforts to subordinate the design and use of information and
>>>> communication technology to "national security" agendas. We believe that
>>>> Internet security will be achieved primarily at the operational level and
>>>> that national security and military agendas often work against rather
>>>> than
>>>> for users' security needs.
>>>>
>>>> Multistakeholderism
>>>> Global governance institutions should not be restricted to states, so CS
>>>> welcomes the additional participation in global policy making that
>>>> multi-stakeholder processes provide. But CS cautions that
>>>> multi-stakeholder
>>>> participation is not an end in itself. Opening up global governance
>>>> institutions to additional voices from civil society and business does
>>>> not
>>>> by itself ensure that individual rights are adequately protected or that
>>>> the
>>>> best substantive policies are developed and enforced. In the informal
>>>> spaces
>>>> created by MS institutions, it is possible that powerful governmental and
>>>> corporate actors can make deals contrary to the interests of Internet
>>>> users.
>>>> MS processes must incorporate and institutionalize concepts of due
>>>> process,
>>>> separation of powers and user's inalienable civil and political rights.
>>>>
>>>> Milton L. Mueller
>>>> Professor, Syracuse University School of Information Studies
>>>> Internet Governance Project
>>>> http://blog.internetgovernance.org
>>>>
>>>>
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