AW: [governance] FW: [IP] US must hand over Internet control to the world - People's Daily Online

Mon Nov 26 08:26:28 EST 2012

This discussion seems interesting!

What will happen if the Chinas' bid for ITU to take over Internet governance and the ICANN bid to continue the job gets a 50-50 vote?

As an ISOC NGL graduate, I am a liitle bit confused, when some of us outcry for a political solution to a problem which has both an economic, social and political impact.
have we quickly forgotten the multi- stakeholder model of governance or the open standard of internet development?

Could we figure out a situation where both ITU and ICANN work together?
- ICANN oversees the technical and commercial aspects while
- ITU the political and social aspect of the resource

I know this kind of suggestion sounds crazy, even Solomon the king could not apply it when he was confronted with two mothers claiming ownership over one child.

What then is the real solution?

"You can kill the Internet governance, but don't kill my Internet"

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--- En date de : Lun 26.11.12, Suresh Ramasubramanian <suresh at hserus.net> a écrit :

De: Suresh Ramasubramanian <suresh at hserus.net>
Objet: Re: AW: [governance] FW: [IP] US must hand over Internet control to the world - People's Daily Online
À: "governance at lists.igcaucus.org" <governance at lists.igcaucus.org>, "Kleinwächter, Wolfgang" <wolfgang.kleinwaechter at medienkomm.uni-halle.de>
Cc: "governance at lists.igcaucus.org" <governance at lists.igcaucus.org>, "michael gurstein" <gurstein at gmail.com>, "David Conrad" <drc at virtualized.org>
Date: Lundi 26 novembre 2012, 12h50

The 13 root servers canard is as old as the hills, as well as a similar argument I have heard recycled many times - that "MIT has more IP addresses than all of China" (which ceased to be true sometime during the late 90s or not too long after that).  Propaganda does consist, in part, of repeating canards often enough till less informed people believe them to be true.

In response to Michael Gurstein - It is, I guess, expected that China's vote in the WCIT process will be to dismantle the existing ICANN / RIR etc structure and create a new structure with ITU driven governance processes.   

However, they have only one vote in the process, just like the USA or other OECD economy (presumably, in favor of maintaining status quo) does.

It remains to be seen just how many countries follow China's lead [with a known tactic in diplomacy being to extend aid to smaller countries, with the expectation that they will follow China's lead in international policy matters such as, say, votes to modify the ITRs]

China is of course not the only nation to follow such a tactic  (to mention an extreme example, in another area - whaling rights - the Times of London came up with a sting operation that covered this [1]), so it remains to be seen how many countries vote one way or the other based on any larger country they may wish to take policy direction from, for whatever reason.

The actual number of countries that can vote at WCIT may get lowered - http://news.dot-nxt.com/itu/wcit/c24-0 is a notice from the ITU SG's office that 17 countries have not paid their ITU dues and so may not get to vote at WCIT.

--srs (iPad)

[1] I can't find the link from the Times site but the LA Times also covers this - http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/unleashed/2010/06/times-of-london-investigates-allegations-that-japan-tries-to-buy-votes-in-its-favor-on-whaling-issue.html

On 26-Nov-2012, at 17:54, "Kleinwächter, Wolfgang" <wolfgang.kleinwaechter at medienkomm.uni-halle.de> wrote:

> Hi, 
> 
> here is a comment to the full article:
> 
> The two factual arguments which are used to substantiate the general politcal conclusion are wrong or at least not correct:
> 
> 1. the ccTLD .iq case did not see any intervention from the USG. The problem was that three parties after Sadams departure claimed to have a right to get the delegation. Two competing ministeries and a rather dubious guy, living in the US. The ccTLD was redelegated finally after a letter of the prime minister arrived and declared the communication commission as the designated party.  http://www.iana.org/reports/2005/iq-report-05aug2005.pdf. I personally feel that it is absolutely irresponsible that a recognized newspaper as China Daily distributes false information of such a caliber around the globe. It is correct that China Daily - as all newspapers of the world - enjoy press freedom and the right to freedom of expression which includes also the right to distribute unchecked facts. But it is against all forms of journalistic ethics to manipulate the truth in such a way.
> 
> 2. The argument with the 13 root servers (10 of them in the US) is also misleading in a time wehn there are more than 150 anycast servers active around the globe which consequently reduces the options for the USG to manipulate the Internet through its historically grown function to give final authorization to the publication of root zone files (including deletions) in the "hidden server". 2012 is not 2005 and there is no MoU and no JPA anymore. We have the AoC, a functioning GAC and a decentrloazed and multistakeholder the review process as an oversight mechanism for ICANN. Chinese government has expressed its support for the multistakeholder model in the recent high level GAC meeting in Toronto and CNNIC will host the 46th ICANN meeting in Bejing in April 2013 Again: Bad journalism, manipulative and misleading.      
> 
> Wolfgang
> 
> ________________________________
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> Von: michael gurstein [mailto:gurstein at gmail.com]
> Gesendet: Mo 26.11.2012 10:41
> An: governance at lists.igcaucus.org; 'David Conrad'
> Betreff: RE: [governance] FW: [IP] US must hand over Internet control to the world - People's Daily Online
> 
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> 
> Dave,
> 
> 
> 
> Whether "wrong" or not, I guess the point was that it is well to keep in mind what the leadership of one quarter of the world's population and the world's second largest economy thinks about some rather significant Internet related issues. Probably also well to keep in mind that in the end (and whether we like it or not) a lot of the issues under discussion at the WCIT will be resolved on a political (national interest) basis rather than a technical one and that distinguishing between the two isn't always as clear cut as it might at first appear.
> 
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> 
> Best,
> 
> 
> 
> M
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> 
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> From: governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org [mailto:governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org] On Behalf Of David Conrad
> Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2012 1:23 PM
> To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org
> Subject: Re: [governance] FW: [IP] US must hand over Internet control to the world - People's Daily Online
> 
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> 
> Is there some context as to why this 3 month old PDO opinion piece popped up again today on Dave's list?
> 
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> 
> It's as wrong now as it was then.
> 
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> 
> Regards,
> 
> -drc
> 
> 
> 
> On Nov 25, 2012, at 12:14 PM, Lee W McKnight <lmcknigh at syr.edu> wrote:
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> 
> FYI
> 
> ________________________________
> 
> From: Dave Farber [dave at farber.net <mailto:dave at farber..net> ]
> Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2012 10:27 AM
> To: ip
> Subject: [IP] US must hand over Internet control to the world - People's Daily Online
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> http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/90777/7915248.html
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> (People's Daily Online <http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/> )
> 
> 11:10, August 18, 2012   
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> The Internet has become one of the most important resources in the world in just a few decades, but the governance mechanism for such an important international resource is still dominated by a private sector organization and a single country. 
> 
> The U.S. government said in a statement on July 1, 2005 that its Commerce Department would continue to support the work of Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN), and indefinitely retain oversight of the Internet's 13 root servers. 
> 
> This indicated the U.S. decision to retain ultimate control over the global Internet, which enabled it to unilaterally close the Internet of another country. A suddenly paralyzed Internet would definitely cause huge social and economic losses to the country. 
> 
> More and more countries are beginning to question the U.S. control over the world's Internet as the international resource should be managed and supervised by all countries together. However, the United States has conducted a pre-emptive strike, and refused to give up control over the Internet in the name of protecting the resource. The refusal reflects its hegemonic mentality and double standards. 
> 
> The United States controls and owns all cyberspaces in the world, and other countries can only lease Internet addresses and domain names from the United States, leading to the U.S.. hegemonic monopoly over the world's Internet. 
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