AW: [governance] Indian Express on privacy

["Kleinwächter, Wolfgang"]

Hi Suresh and others,
 
we have discussed at this list recently also some ethical questions. Part of the traditional e-Mail Netiquette is that one should not send more than five (5) e-mails to a list per day. Before putting the reply button one should think about what I have to say and consider to summarize the ideas of the day in one or two mails. 30 e-mails within two days is definitely too much. I understand that vibrant debates need a quick reply. However, the old netiquette, laid down in RFC 1855 - Netiquette Guidelines <http://www.google.de/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=rfc%201855%20netiquette%20guidelines&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&ved=0CDIQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ietf.org%2Frfc%2Frfc1855.txt&ei=fViyULyUIsfBtAbiv4GQAQ&usg=AFQjCNHJDaCrMM1WEvpUgffCQn1l1gYrTQ>  was not so bad.
 
Best wishes
 
wolfgang
 

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Von: governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org im Auftrag von Suresh Ramasubramanian
Gesendet: Sa 24.11.2012 14:30
An: Fahd A. Batayneh; Timothy McGinnis
Cc: governance at lists.igcaucus.org
Betreff: Re: [governance] Indian Express on privacy


Even if your traffic does pass through a western country it would be because the destination is there unless your isp is unwise enough not to peer with other local isps

--srs (htc one x)


----- Reply message -----
From: "Fahd A. Batayneh" <fahd.batayneh at gmail.com>
To: "McTim" <dogwallah at gmail.com>
Cc: "IG Caucus" <governance at lists.igcaucus.org>
Subject: [governance] Indian Express on privacy
Date: Sat, Nov 24, 2012 6:41 PM


On Sat, Nov 24, 2012 at 2:40 PM, McTim <dogwallah at gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
> On Sat, Nov 24, 2012 at 1:58 AM, Fahd A. Batayneh <fahd.batayneh at gmail.com
> > wrote:
>
>> While I do have Facebook and Twitter accounts, I have not accessed any of
>> them for quite a long time, and I do not use them. This is what one can
>> expect when posting personal data online. However, if we look at things
>> differently, who is not exposed (Internet users)? All our Internet traffic
>> passes through the various Tier-1 ISPs in the USA and EU
>>
>
>
> ALL, is a pretty strong statement.
>

Well, we can exclude local traffic passing via IXPs or maybe within the
same network, and maybe very sensitive data that move across the same
Intranet, or maybe traffic that moves within censorship-driven countries.


>
> Do you have any evidence for it?
>

No one has evidence about either scenario (everything is monitored vs.
something is monitored vs. nothing is monitored). But would you disagree
that Internet traffic moving overseas does have to pass at access points
based in Western countries?


>
> , and some of them might want to inspect traffic randomly as measures of
>> "National Security".
>>
>
>
> None of them "want to", as it would impact business of passing packets.
>

Not really. Business is one aspect of the story, but national interests is
another (especially Western countries that keep using the term "War on
Terror").

Fahd


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