[governance] Indian Express on privacy

[Fahd A. Batayneh]

Mainly peering really. I forgot to mention political aspects as well.

Fahd
On Nov 25, 2012 9:45 AM, "Suresh Ramasubramanian" <suresh at hserus.net> wrote:

> For buying transit maybe rather than for peering?
>
> --srs (htc one x)
>
>
> ----- Reply message -----
> From: "Fahd A. Batayneh" <fahd.batayneh at gmail.com>
> To: "Suresh Ramasubramanian" <suresh at hserus.net>
> Cc: "governance at lists.igcaucus.org" <governance at lists.igcaucus.org>,
> "McTim" <dogwallah at gmail.com>
> Subject: [governance] Indian Express on privacy
> Date: Sun, Nov 25, 2012 12:05 PM
>
>
> Bribes, perks, free travel, free consultancies... you name it.
>
> Fahd
> On Nov 25, 2012 3:31 AM, "Suresh Ramasubramanian" <suresh at hserus.net>
> wrote:
>
> > Sorry?  How do their local ISPs benefit from peering with a western
> > country when they don't peer locally?
> >
> > --srs (iPad)
> >
> > On 24-Nov-2012, at 21:14, "Fahd A. Batayneh" <fahd.batayneh at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > Would say that it is true for developed countries, but not for developing
> > and least developed where some benefit (financially) from peering to
> > Western countries.
> >
> > Fahd
> > On Nov 24, 2012 5:16 PM, "McTim" <dogwallah at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> On Sat, Nov 24, 2012 at 8:11 AM, Fahd A. Batayneh <
> >> fahd.batayneh at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Sat, Nov 24, 2012 at 2:40 PM, McTim <dogwallah at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Sat, Nov 24, 2012 at 1:58 AM, Fahd A. Batayneh <
> >>>> fahd.batayneh at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> While I do have Facebook and Twitter accounts, I have not accessed
> any
> >>>>> of them for quite a long time, and I do not use them. This is what
> one can
> >>>>> expect when posting personal data online. However, if we look at
> things
> >>>>> differently, who is not exposed (Internet users)? All our Internet
> traffic
> >>>>> passes through the various Tier-1 ISPs in the USA and EU
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> ALL, is a pretty strong statement.
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> Well, we can exclude local traffic passing via IXPs or maybe within the
> >>> same network, and maybe very sensitive data that move across the same
> >>> Intranet, or maybe traffic that moves within censorship-driven
> countries.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Do you have any evidence for it?
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> No one has evidence about either scenario (everything is monitored vs.
> >>> something is monitored vs. nothing is monitored). But would you
> disagree
> >>> that Internet traffic moving overseas does have to pass at access
> points
> >>> based in Western countries?
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >> Yes. There are major CDN nodes and IXPs where Tier1s (and Tier2s and 3s)
> >> peer around the globe.  Your traffic does not have to go to US/EU.  In
> fact
> >> it does not even have to transit a Tier1 provider.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>> , and some of them might want to inspect traffic randomly as measures
> >>>>> of "National Security".
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> None of them "want to", as it would impact business of passing
> packets.
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> Not really. Business is one aspect of the story, but national interests
> >>> is another (especially Western countries that keep using the term "War
> on
> >>> Terror").
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >> Then that would be a "MUST" not a "WANT".
> >>
> >> --
> >> Cheers,
> >>
> >> McTim
> >> "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A
> route
> >> indicates how we get there."  Jon Postel
> >>
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