<p>Mainly peering really. I forgot to mention political aspects as well.</p>
<p>Fahd</p>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Nov 25, 2012 9:45 AM, "Suresh Ramasubramanian" <<a href="mailto:suresh@hserus.net">suresh@hserus.net</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<span style="font-family:Arial">For buying transit maybe rather than for peering? <br><br>--srs (htc one x)<br><br><br>----- Reply message -----<br>From: "Fahd A. Batayneh" <<a href="mailto:fahd.batayneh@gmail.com" target="_blank">fahd.batayneh@gmail.com</a>><br>
To: "Suresh Ramasubramanian" <<a href="mailto:suresh@hserus.net" target="_blank">suresh@hserus.net</a>><br>Cc: "<a href="mailto:governance@lists.igcaucus.org" target="_blank">governance@lists.igcaucus.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:governance@lists.igcaucus.org" target="_blank">governance@lists.igcaucus.org</a>>, "McTim" <<a href="mailto:dogwallah@gmail.com" target="_blank">dogwallah@gmail.com</a>><br>
Subject: [governance] Indian Express on privacy<br>Date: Sun, Nov 25, 2012 12:05 PM<br><br></span><br>Bribes, perks, free travel, free consultancies... you name it.<br><br>Fahd<br>On Nov 25, 2012 3:31 AM, "Suresh Ramasubramanian" <<a href="mailto:suresh@hserus.net" target="_blank">suresh@hserus.net</a>> wrote:<br>
<br>> Sorry? How do their local ISPs benefit from peering with a western<br>> country when they don't peer locally?<br>><br>> --srs (iPad)<br>><br>> On 24-Nov-2012, at 21:14, "Fahd A. Batayneh" <<a href="mailto:fahd.batayneh@gmail.com" target="_blank">fahd.batayneh@gmail.com</a>><br>
> wrote:<br>><br>> Would say that it is true for developed countries, but not for developing<br>> and least developed where some benefit (financially) from peering to<br>> Western countries.<br>><br>> Fahd<br>
> On Nov 24, 2012 5:16 PM, "McTim" <<a href="mailto:dogwallah@gmail.com" target="_blank">dogwallah@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>><br>>><br>>><br>>> On Sat, Nov 24, 2012 at 8:11 AM, Fahd A. Batayneh <<br>
>> <a href="mailto:fahd.batayneh@gmail.com" target="_blank">fahd.batayneh@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>>><br>>>> On Sat, Nov 24, 2012 at 2:40 PM, McTim <<a href="mailto:dogwallah@gmail.com" target="_blank">dogwallah@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>>><br>>>>><br>>>>><br>>>>> On Sat, Nov 24, 2012 at 1:58 AM, Fahd A. Batayneh <<br>>>>> <a href="mailto:fahd.batayneh@gmail.com" target="_blank">fahd.batayneh@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>>>><br>>>>>> While I do have Facebook and Twitter accounts, I have not accessed any<br>>>>>> of them for quite a long time, and I do not use them. This is what one can<br>>>>>> expect when posting personal data online. However, if we look at things<br>
>>>>> differently, who is not exposed (Internet users)? All our Internet traffic<br>>>>>> passes through the various Tier-1 ISPs in the USA and EU<br>>>>>><br>>>>><br>
>>>><br>>>>> ALL, is a pretty strong statement.<br>>>>><br>>>><br>>>> Well, we can exclude local traffic passing via IXPs or maybe within the<br>>>> same network, and maybe very sensitive data that move across the same<br>
>>> Intranet, or maybe traffic that moves within censorship-driven countries.<br>>>><br>>>><br>>>>><br>>>>> Do you have any evidence for it?<br>>>>><br>>>><br>
>>> No one has evidence about either scenario (everything is monitored vs.<br>>>> something is monitored vs. nothing is monitored). But would you disagree<br>>>> that Internet traffic moving overseas does have to pass at access points<br>
>>> based in Western countries?<br>>>><br>>><br>>><br>>> Yes. There are major CDN nodes and IXPs where Tier1s (and Tier2s and 3s)<br>>> peer around the globe. Your traffic does not have to go to US/EU. In fact<br>
>> it does not even have to transit a Tier1 provider.<br>>><br>>><br>>><br>>><br>>><br>>>><br>>>><br>>>>><br>>>>> , and some of them might want to inspect traffic randomly as measures<br>
>>>>> of "National Security".<br>>>>>><br>>>>><br>>>>><br>>>>> None of them "want to", as it would impact business of passing packets.<br>
>>>><br>>>><br>>>> Not really. Business is one aspect of the story, but national interests<br>>>> is another (especially Western countries that keep using the term "War on<br>>>> Terror").<br>
>>><br>>>><br>>><br>>> Then that would be a "MUST" not a "WANT".<br>>><br>>> --<br>>> Cheers,<br>>><br>>> McTim<br>>> "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route<br>
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