[governance] Google's Fight the ITU/WCIT website

Sat Nov 24 09:05:55 EST 2012

Hi All,

I did not want to intervene in this exchange since I am an implicated 
party, and therefore my comments may not be taken as disinterested, 
which I will like to claim they in fact are. For the record, I would 
like to state that my interest here is not to press for further ticking 
off those who have made postings that have been recognised as offending 
by many members of the list. However, I think Sala's intervention as the 
IGC coordinator is being unfairly targeted and since no one (except 
Michael now) has risen to her defence I take it my duty to do so. I 
express my strong disagreement with the manner in which Sala is being 
chastised for what I see as an entirely fair carrying out of her 
responsibility as IGC coordinator.

I think there may have been a misunderstanding among at least some of 
those who have commented negatively on Sala's warning email . Of course 
she did not mean that the word 'nazi' may not be used at all. That would 
be so strange to do; which should have been obvious to everyone. Her 
email has to be read in the background of the warning emails that she 
issued just a while earlier. She only meant that the manner in which one 
member (deliberately using the third person) was accused, inter alia, of 
habitually engaging in Nazi like propaganda was unacceptable... and of 
course it will be as unacceptable to make such inappropriate references 
citing taliban or ku klux klan... Most importantly, such an accusing 
personal remark wasnt made in a one off manner.... This inappropriate 
comment followed use of a great deal of inappropriate language involving 
direct personal attacks within just the last few days. It is in this 
specific background that Sala wrote the email about not using words like 
nazi, and issued the warning, which followed a warning issued only a few 
hours earlier.

The comments made by the persons who got warned, over quite a few 
emails, in my view, do adversely attract the 'posting rule' provisions 
of IGC's charter.

        The messages must observe a minimum of decorum, including:
         refrain from personal attacks, insults or slander
         refrain from offensive or discriminating language
         refrain from threats , including threats of legal action, on
        list or off list
         refrain from excessive and repetitive posting

        Inappropriate postings to the IGC list include
         Unsolicited bulk e-mail
         Discussion of subjects unrelated to the IGC mission and objectives
         Unprofessional or discourteous commentary, regardless of the
        general subject
         Sequences of messages by one or more participants that cause
        an IGC list to become a hostile environment

        http://www.igcaucus.org/charter

  Perhaps Sala could have been more explicit on what specific kind of 
use of the Nazi term did she object to, but she simply took it that 
people had been reading the offending emails.

On the other hand, if indeed those who have been chastising Sala for her 
warning think she has done a wrong thing, I would like to ask then if 
they instead expect the offended member to get into a slanging match 
with the person who got the repeated warnings! Would that not destroy 
the elist. Do note that there are about 10 emails within a day or two 
that seem to carry on a surprisingly sustained exercise of making 
personal attacks.... In judging the coordinator's conduct one will have 
to ask oneself how would they themselves react if they were at the 
receiving end of these attacks, and what would be their own expectation 
from the list coordinator in such a case.

(And I not really not cribbing here for my own sake. I really can manage 
these kind of people and the kind of things they do. But what would 
happen to any new member who but tries to post something that does not 
suit the these people's taste. In fact the message has perhaps already 
been given to them. And now, unfortunately, the IGC coordinator is being 
given the message that she should simply let these things happen and not 
intervene.)

parminder

On Saturday 24 November 2012 09:41 AM, Avri Doria wrote:
> +1
>
> On 23 Nov 2012, at 17:20, Carlos A. Afonso wrote:
>
>> Good reminder, McTim!
>>
>> --c.a.
>>
>> On 11/23/2012 12:34 AM, McTim wrote:
>>> *Sala,*
>>> On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 11:02 AM, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro <
>>> salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Dear Suresh,
>>>>
>>>> Please refrain from using words like "Nazi" on this list.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I don't think that IGC coordinators get to proclaim that there are words
>>> that are off-limits.
>>>
>>> One of the very first IG cases was about the online sale of Nazi
>>> memorabilia on Yahoo!
>>>
>>> As a reminder, here are the rules we have agreed to:
>>>
>>> *Suspension of posting rights*
>>>
>>> Failure to abide by posting rules may result in suspension or removal from
>>> the IGC list according to the following process:
>>>
>>>  The coordinators will first warn a subscriber privately of the problem
>>>  If the problem persists the coordinators will notify the subscriber
>>> publicly on the list of impending suspension from the list. Suspension will
>>> include only posting rights.
>>>  If the problem persists the subscriber's posting rights will be suspended
>>> for one (1) month.
>>>  Once the subscriber's posting rights are restored, any further problem
>>> will result in another public warning.
>>>  If the problem continues to persist after suspension and a second public
>>> warning, the coordinators will be permitted to either suspend the posting
>>> rights for three (3) months or to remove the subscriber from the list.
>>>  Any decision for suspension can be appealed. Any decision to remove
>>> someone from the list will call for an automatic appeal by the appeals team.
>>>
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