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<font face="Verdana">Hi All,<br>
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I did not want to intervene in this exchange since I am an
implicated party, and therefore my comments may not be taken as
disinterested, which I will like to claim they in fact are. </font><font
face="Verdana">For the record, I would like to state that my
interest here is not to press for further ticking off those who
have made postings that have been recognised as offending by many
members of the list. </font><font face="Verdana">However, I think
Sala's intervention as the IGC coordinator is being unfairly
targeted and since no one (except Michael now) has risen to her
defence I take it my duty to do so. I express my strong
disagreement with the manner in which Sala is being chastised for
what I see as an entirely fair carrying out of her responsibility
as IGC coordinator.<br>
<br>
I think there may have been a misunderstanding among at least some
of those who have commented negatively on Sala's warning email .
Of course she did not mean that the word 'nazi' may not be used at
all. That would be so strange to do; which should have been
obvious to everyone. Her email has to be read in the background of
the warning emails that she issued just a while earlier. She only
meant that the manner in which one member (deliberately using the
third person) was accused, inter alia, of habitually engaging in
Nazi like propaganda was unacceptable... and of course it will be
as unacceptable to make such inappropriate references citing
taliban or ku klux klan... Most importantly, such an accusing
personal remark wasnt made in a one off manner.... This
inappropriate comment followed use of a great deal of
inappropriate language involving direct personal attacks within
just the last few days. It is in this specific background that
Sala wrote the email about not using words like nazi, and issued
the warning, which followed a warning issued only a few hours
earlier. <br>
<br>
The comments made by the persons who got warned, over quite a few
emails, in my view, do adversely attract the 'posting rule'
provisions of IGC's charter.<br>
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<p>The messages must observe a minimum of decorum, including:<br>
refrain from personal attacks, insults or slander<br>
refrain from offensive or discriminating language<br>
refrain from threats , including threats of legal action, on
list or off list<br>
refrain from excessive and repetitive posting</p>
<p>Inappropriate postings to the IGC list include<br>
Unsolicited bulk e-mail<br>
Discussion of subjects unrelated to the IGC mission and
objectives<br>
Unprofessional or discourteous commentary, regardless of the
general subject<br>
Sequences of messages by one or more participants that cause
an IGC list to become a hostile environment</p>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="http://www.igcaucus.org/charter">http://www.igcaucus.org/charter</a><br>
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Perhaps Sala could have been more explicit on what specific kind of
use of the Nazi term did she object to, but she simply took it that
people had been reading the offending emails. <br>
<br>
On the other hand, if indeed those who have been chastising Sala for
her warning think she has done a wrong thing, I would like to ask
then if they instead expect the offended member to get into a
slanging match with the person who got the repeated warnings! Would
that not destroy the elist. Do note that there are about 10 emails
within a day or two that seem to carry on a surprisingly sustained
exercise of making personal attacks.... In judging the coordinator's
conduct one will have to ask oneself how would they themselves react
if they were at the receiving end of these attacks, and what would
be their own expectation from the list coordinator in such a case.<br>
<br>
(And I not really not cribbing here for my own sake. I really can
manage these kind of people and the kind of things they do. But what
would happen to any new member who but tries to post something that
does not suit the these people's taste. In fact the message has
perhaps already been given to them. And now, unfortunately, the IGC
coordinator is being given the message that she should simply let
these things happen and not intervene.)<br>
<br>
parminder<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On Saturday 24 November 2012 09:41 AM,
Avri Doria wrote:<br>
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On 23 Nov 2012, at 17:20, Carlos A. Afonso wrote:
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<pre wrap="">Good reminder, McTim!
--c.a.
On 11/23/2012 12:34 AM, McTim wrote:
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<pre wrap="">*Sala,*
On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 11:02 AM, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro <
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro@gmail.com">salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro@gmail.com</a>> wrote:
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<pre wrap="">Dear Suresh,
Please refrain from using words like "Nazi" on this list.
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I don't think that IGC coordinators get to proclaim that there are words
that are off-limits.
One of the very first IG cases was about the online sale of Nazi
memorabilia on Yahoo!
As a reminder, here are the rules we have agreed to:
*Suspension of posting rights*
Failure to abide by posting rules may result in suspension or removal from
the IGC list according to the following process:
The coordinators will first warn a subscriber privately of the problem
If the problem persists the coordinators will notify the subscriber
publicly on the list of impending suspension from the list. Suspension will
include only posting rights.
If the problem persists the subscriber's posting rights will be suspended
for one (1) month.
Once the subscriber's posting rights are restored, any further problem
will result in another public warning.
If the problem continues to persist after suspension and a second public
warning, the coordinators will be permitted to either suspend the posting
rights for three (3) months or to remove the subscriber from the list.
Any decision for suspension can be appealed. Any decision to remove
someone from the list will call for an automatic appeal by the appeals team.
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