[governance] Google's Fight the ITU/WCIT website
Suresh Ramasubramanian
suresh at hserus.net
Wed Nov 21 19:54:29 EST 2012
Right. Truthout screeds, random allegations, accusations about "arrogance", half truth laden polemic .. to pick a few.
And those are not deemed to be personal attacks because they are targeted at a corporation rather than individual?
Fun days. There was a time when civil society discourse was actually civil. But any incivility I have committed is in response to behavior that does not and should not characterize civil society.
So sala, thank you for your warning.
--srs (htc one x)
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From: "Guru गुरु" <Guru at ITforChange.net>
To: <governance at lists.igcaucus.org>
Subject: [governance] Google's Fight the ITU/WCIT website
Date: Wed, Nov 21, 2012 10:51 PM
http://truth-out.org/news/item/12676-how-google-is-helping-the-gas-lobby-support-fracking
On Wednesday 21 November 2012 06:25 PM, Louis Pouzin (well) wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Google is now champion for arrogance and disinformation. They believe
> they reached a State statute whereby they can dictate other States
> what they have to do. Actually this not so different from the US gov
> attitude.
>
> Google's dominance of the advertising market is in no way a guarantee
> of quality and neutrality. They just leverage their dominance for
> promoting their own business. And they conflate their particular
> interests with grand ideologies as free information for all.
>
> Let's assume that drugs are free for all. Then the web would be
> swamped with ads for drugs, seminars praising benefits of using drugs,
> training sessions for acquiring drug consumption art, testimonies from
> drug users telling how it changed their life for the good, mass
> campaign vilifying institutions or governments requesting drug
> control, and so on. Just because the drug maffia has enough resources
> for controlling a free market. And the saying is "the market is right".
>
> As expected, the simple association of information and drug will
> immediately raise fury. It's just taboo. Like associating Google
> interests with freedom of information.
>
> There was a time when the US gov would resist and break excessive and
> abusive dominance in certain market segments, like oil, bank, telecom.
> Now it's the opposite. Excessive market dominance is good for US world
> dominance, as long as the dominant firms are based in the US. Then
> where are check and balance mechanisms ?
>
> Let's not be fooled by Google stylish propaganda. The real issues in
> WCIT 2012 have nothing to do with internet censorship, and Google
> knows it too well. The issues are finding a more equitable balance
> between stakeholders interests and profits.
>
> Parminder's observations are entirely relevant. The most dangerous
> threats to information freedom are US lead secretly negotiated
> treaties by multi-national lobbies, SOPA, ACTA, etc. More are coming,
> still secret, basically a rehash of those that failed, TPP, CleanIT,
> .. watch out.
>
> Cheers, Louis
> - - -
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 9:24 AM, parminder <parminder at itforchange.net
> <mailto:parminder at itforchange.net>> wrote:
>
>
> On Wednesday 21 November 2012 01:19 PM, parminder wrote:
>> snip
>
>> Dear Google; Yes, the world indeed needs an open Internet, for
>> which reason it is rather awful to note that you, meaning, Google;
>>
>> 1) Sold the entire net neutrality campaign down the drain in the
>> US, by first assuming its leadership and then entering into a
>> self-serving agreement with Verizon, whereby the main means of
>> accessing the Internet in the future - mobiles - are exempted
>> from net neutrality provisions.
>>
>> 2) Have recently entered into exclusive arrangements with telecos
>> to provide Gmail, Google + and Google Search for free in some
>> developing countries (Philippines) , and as a special low cost
>> package exclusively of a few Internet services (and not the full,
>> public Internet) in others (India), which makes a mockery of an
>> open and net neutral Internet.
>
> BTW, is it a mere coincidence these new mobile based
> non-net-neutral services seem to have something to do with the
> betraying compromise that Google made that is mentioned in point 1
> above?
>
>>
>> 3) Tweak your search results, which is increasingly the main way
>> of accessing locations on the Internet, in non-transparent ways,
>> with increasing evidence that this is done in a manner that
>> merely serves your own commercial interests and goes against
>> consumer/ public interest, and for which reasons Google is
>> currently subject to regulatory investigations in the US and EU.
>>
>> ( There are hundreds of other outrages, big and small, including
>> the fact that today I suddenly see my default browser getting
>> set for "Chrome' when I prefer and have always used Mozilla
>> Firefox and never asked for the change of default.)
>>
>> I cannot see anything other than effective regulation of the
>> Internet to be able to check such excesses by Internet companies
>> that are deeply compromising the openness of the Internet
>> (sticking here to only to the subject of openness of the
>> Internet, used in above appeal by Google).
>>
>> So, lets be honest, it is not about people versus ITU, not even,
>> Google versus ITU, or even Google versus content regulation; it
>> is Google versus any regulation of the Internet space so that
>> Google, and similarly positioned dominant players, can have a
>> free run over the economic, social and political resources of the
>> world.
>>
>> It is very important to wage the needed struggles to keep
>> In
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