[governance] FW: [MobileActive Discuss] Why Cell Phones Went Dead After Hurricane Sandy- Bloomberg

[Suresh Ramasubramanian]

As far as I have seen in industry associations like maawg (www.maawg.org) there is a substantial push towards best practice in areas such as ethical email marketing that is respectful of user privacy, besides the various other practices evolved on security, malware etc.   

And that best practice is, sort of, enforced in that marketers who don't adhere to that code of practice don't get to become members, or on previous occasions, have had ther membership revoked.

So, this does occur and is not unknown in an industry context.

It would be equally naive to only bank on industry goodwill, which is why a regulatory system, and a transparent complaints / redressal process are essential,   That, and informed civil society that doesn't see industry as the enemy.

Note: I have had my share of arguments with various civil society people and groups on that account, simply because making points without demonising the groups they make those points against seems to be a dying art.   Like Susan Crawford describing DPI with terms like "inside job", or the eff comparing spam filtering to blackmail and extortion.  http://www.mail-archive.com/silklist@lists.hserus.net/msg20400.html for several such examples.

--srs (iPad)

On 17-Nov-2012, at 21:45, "michael gurstein" <gurstein at gmail.com> wrote:

> Of course, what you are saying is precisely what is being said in the
> current deregulation push in US telecoms i.e. that corporate actors can be
> trusted (in a deregulated context) to act in accordance with the public
> interest (with the consequences that Susan Crawford is pointing to in her
> piece noted bleow...
> 
> You might note in passing that CS in the context of the BestBits discussion
> indicated in the context of the anticipated revision of the ITR's and a
> requirement that  " the framing of public policy is the pursuit of the
> public interest" and that this statement was signed onto by numerous CS (and
> other actors). http://bestbits.igf-online.net/statement/
> 
> M
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Suresh Ramasubramanian [mailto:suresh at hserus.net] 
> Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2012 7:41 AM
> To: michael gurstein
> Cc: <governance at lists.igcaucus.org>
> Subject: Re: [governance] FW: [MobileActive Discuss] Why Cell Phones Went
> Dead After Hurricane Sandy- Bloomberg
> 
> There is no such thing as a global public interest, it is too utopian a
> concept.
> 
> A shared consensus on best practices and acceptable standards of behaviour /
> codes of conduct are about the closest you will have in real life and
> outside wcit, igf etc slide decks.
> 
> --srs (iPad)
> 
> On 17-Nov-2012, at 20:48, "michael gurstein" <gurstein at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> Why?
>> 
>> The discussions around the WCIT/are overrun with precisely those kinds 
>> of generalizations.
>> 
>> But it is a serious question, if we believe that there is a global 
>> public interest (in the Internet) who do we trust to best represent 
>> that public interest (IBM, Google, the USG?) and within what (global) 
>> framework will that representation best take place (the market place, 
>> the US State Department, Google, the IGF?). (Unfortunately, I don't 
>> see CS as sufficiently strong or as sufficiently independent to even 
>> mention it in this context.)
>> 
>> M
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Suresh Ramasubramanian [mailto:suresh at hserus.net]
>> Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2012 6:39 AM
>> To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org; michael gurstein
>> Subject: Re: [governance] FW: [MobileActive Discuss] Why Cell Phones 
>> Went Dead After Hurricane Sandy- Bloomberg
>> 
>> michael gurstein [17/11/12 06:00 -0800]:
>>> Who can we rely on to act in support of the (global) public 
>>> interest--IBM, Google, Facebook, AT&T, the USG, "the market"..?
>> 
>> "civil society"?  also note "act effectively"
>> 
>> Generalizing would be a grave mistake here.
> 
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