<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>As far as I have seen in industry associations like maawg (<a href="http://www.maawg.org">www.maawg.org</a>) there is a substantial push towards best practice in areas such as ethical email marketing that is respectful of user privacy, besides the various other practices evolved on security, malware etc. </div><div><br></div><div>And that best practice is, sort of, enforced in that marketers who don't adhere to that code of practice don't get to become members, or on previous occasions, have had ther membership revoked.</div><div><br></div><div>So, this does occur and is not unknown in an industry context.</div><div><br></div><div>It would be equally naive to only bank on industry goodwill, which is why a regulatory system, and a transparent complaints / redressal process are essential, That, and informed civil society that doesn't see industry as the enemy.</div><div><br></div><div>Note: I have had my share of arguments with various civil society people and groups on that account, simply because making points without demonising the groups they make those points against seems to be a dying art. Like Susan Crawford describing DPI with terms like "inside job", or the eff comparing spam filtering to blackmail and extortion. <a href="http://www.mail-archive.com/silklist@lists.hserus.net/msg20400.html">http://www.mail-archive.com/silklist@lists.hserus.net/msg20400.html</a> for several such examples.</div><div><br>--srs (iPad)</div><div><br>On 17-Nov-2012, at 21:45, "michael gurstein" <<a href="mailto:gurstein@gmail.com">gurstein@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><span>Of course, what you are saying is precisely what is being said in the</span><br><span>current deregulation push in US telecoms i.e. that corporate actors can be</span><br><span>trusted (in a deregulated context) to act in accordance with the public</span><br><span>interest (with the consequences that Susan Crawford is pointing to in her</span><br><span>piece noted bleow...</span><br><span></span><br><span>You might note in passing that CS in the context of the BestBits discussion</span><br><span>indicated in the context of the anticipated revision of the ITR's and a</span><br><span>requirement that " the framing of public policy is the pursuit of the</span><br><span>public interest" and that this statement was signed onto by numerous CS (and</span><br><span>other actors). <a href="http://bestbits.igf-online.net/statement/">http://bestbits.igf-online.net/statement/</a></span><br><span></span><br><span>M</span><br><span></span><br><span>-----Original Message-----</span><br><span>From: Suresh Ramasubramanian [<a href="mailto:suresh@hserus.net">mailto:suresh@hserus.net</a>] </span><br><span>Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2012 7:41 AM</span><br><span>To: michael gurstein</span><br><span>Cc: <<a href="mailto:governance@lists.igcaucus.org">governance@lists.igcaucus.org</a>></span><br><span>Subject: Re: [governance] FW: [MobileActive Discuss] Why Cell Phones Went</span><br><span>Dead After Hurricane Sandy- Bloomberg</span><br><span></span><br><span>There is no such thing as a global public interest, it is too utopian a</span><br><span>concept.</span><br><span></span><br><span>A shared consensus on best practices and acceptable standards of behaviour /</span><br><span>codes of conduct are about the closest you will have in real life and</span><br><span>outside wcit, igf etc slide decks.</span><br><span></span><br><span>--srs (iPad)</span><br><span></span><br><span>On 17-Nov-2012, at 20:48, "michael gurstein" <<a href="mailto:gurstein@gmail.com">gurstein@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</span><br><span></span><br><blockquote type="cite"><span>Why?</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>The discussions around the WCIT/are overrun with precisely those kinds </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>of generalizations.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>But it is a serious question, if we believe that there is a global </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>public interest (in the Internet) who do we trust to best represent </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>that public interest (IBM, Google, the USG?) and within what (global) </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>framework will that representation best take place (the market place, </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>the US State Department, Google, the IGF?). (Unfortunately, I don't </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>see CS as sufficiently strong or as sufficiently independent to even </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>mention it in this context.)</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>M</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>-----Original Message-----</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>From: Suresh Ramasubramanian [<a href="mailto:suresh@hserus.net">mailto:suresh@hserus.net</a>]</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2012 6:39 AM</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>To: <a href="mailto:governance@lists.igcaucus.org">governance@lists.igcaucus.org</a>; michael gurstein</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Subject: Re: [governance] FW: [MobileActive Discuss] Why Cell Phones </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Went Dead After Hurricane Sandy- Bloomberg</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>michael gurstein [17/11/12 06:00 -0800]:</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Who can we rely on to act in support of the (global) public </span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>interest--IBM, Google, Facebook, AT&T, the USG, "the market"..?</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>"civil society"? also note "act effectively"</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Generalizing would be a grave mistake here.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><span></span><br></div></blockquote></body></html>