IETF WAS Re: [governance] Enhanced Cooperation (was Re: reality check on economics)

[michael gurstein]

Glad to see some of the developments you are pointing to but I'm not sure
that "dozens" of fledgling swallows make a spring, at least not yet...

M

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On 5/29/12, michael gurstein <gurstein at gmail.com> wrote:
> McTim,
>
> The problem is that for many "poor countries (LDC's)" there is no 
> "private sector" in this area and for the most part no civil society 
> with the expertise or the financial resources to participate in these 
> discussions or to acquire the requisite expertise.


that MAY be the case.  However, that has NOT been my experience living in
Africa for the last 7 years.  There are both biz folks AND CS actively
involved in both real and meta-IG activities locally, regionally and
globally.  this was re-affirmed earlier this month in the Gambia, where I
met dozens of young Africans from all over the continent eager to be
involved in ISOC/ICANN/RIR/IGF et. al. activities!


So in the absence of governmental
> involvement there will be no involvement from those parts of the world 
> at all.

see above.

>
> That might serve the interests of some quite well, but not 
> surprisingly the folks in those countries without representation are 
> beginning to feel somewhat aggrieved.

Representation is not how IG is done.

Governments get to say (usually) how a country code telephone numbering
system is managed.  They don't get the same control over how CIR's are
managed.  They may WANT it, but that is not reality based thinking.


>
> The desire to keep governments out of technical areas is very likely a 
> commendable one, but in that instance it behooves the supporters of 
> that position to find some other means to ensure that those currently 
> without a voice in those discussions are provided with a means to have 
> such a participation.

I don't want to keep governements out of technical areas, not at all!!

Last week we had a meeting of the African governmanetal Working Group at the
African Internet Summit.  It is a method of bringing them IN to the
tech/policy side of things!
>
> The status quo always favours the incumbent.


true....I would suggest that your map of the status quo is out of date.

-- 
Cheers,

McTim
"A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route
indicates how we get there."  Jon Postel



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