IETF WAS Re: [governance] Enhanced Cooperation (was Re: reality check on economics)

[Riaz K Tayob]

Guru

The questions you pose are important and not adequately addressed under 
this header, especially as regards principled positions. There is 
adequate attention paid to reform (which is essentially about 
"effectiveness") but less about principled (or dare I say it on this 
list "radical") positions. International law, or governance, is both 
about effectiveness AND legitimacy. Without this parallax view, these 
discussions become mired in convolutions as the subject matter (and/or 
goal) is not clearly articulated - i.e. terrain specificity.

It is NOT possible to argue or intimate that ICANN is legitimate, even 
though some try to do so. It may be effective, like IETF, but legitimacy 
will always be elusive, given current arrangements. Inadequacies abound 
about the lack of legitimacy, gTlds, intellectual property and also the 
thwarting of the will of many poor countries to have some legitimate 
control over CIR. Unless one has ideological (or pay check) blinkers 
this ought to be a moot point. For many on this list, it is not, and 
will not in the foreseeable future.

On reform, there are many avenues to follow, often dictated by the realm 
of possibility that is severely constrained given current predilections. 
And more attention needs to be given to these elements from a principled 
stance as Gurstein has ventured. What I would really like to hear more 
about is the problem of marrying the technical with the non-technical as 
there is a dialectical relationship between the two (tech is tech, but 
tech is also law as Lessig puts it). But the debate would need to move 
away from the pedestrian one, "if it aint broke don't fix it" or "where 
is your alternative" as if these cannot be created, as if ICANN et al 
have not reinvented themselves to make themselves seem more legitimate 
dolling out dosh and following the Iraq & Afghanistan pacification 
strategy post invasion.

There are improvements that need to be made, but I am not sure the 
imagination has been sufficiently decolonised (in general) to even 
pursue some of the inquiries you pose and perhaps some more reality is 
needed on these matters...


On 2012/05/25 04:26 AM, Guru गुरु wrote:
>
>   ask ourselves how we can make the current IG more democratic.



>
> Who pays the price for the current IG regimes and lack of its 
> accountability to the "global society"? Conversely, who does it 
> benefit disproportionately?
>


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