[governance] Twitter officially shutdown to Internet users in Pakistan

William Drake william.drake at uzh.ch
Mon May 21 03:38:47 EDT 2012 

Hi Parminder

On May 20, 2012, at 6:03 PM, parminder wrote:

>   Bill, I too missed what exactly you are pointing to...
> 
> However, since you are parodying the statement issued by IT for Change

Parodying?  I quoted from the doc.

> and others (and supported by  66 organisations and 117 other individuals), apropos Michael's email, I must  direct your attention to the fact that the statement seeks such a global Internet body to act primarily on the basis of human rights.

Sure, I know you have a strong human rights orientation, even if the sentence on CIR doesn't actually specify that.  But I don't believe that's what most of the governments supporting multilateral "oversight" are looking for or would agree to.  If one of them raises the point at tomorrow's CSTD meeting, why don't you ask them, that could be illuminating...
> 
> Incidentally, even India's CIRP proposal, among its 7 listed functions has the following function: promotion and protection of all human rights, namely, civil, political, social, economic and cultural rights, including the Right to Development; 

Sure. BTW, since you've been working closely with the government on this, you must have info the rest of us lack.  Could you clarify what India's current stance is viz. the CIRP proposal?  I wanted to ask Mr. Govind but didn't get a chance.  He was quoted in the press as saying they'd dropped it as "not well thought out;" is that accurate?  My notes say the Indian statement Friday was that CIRP was a response to the Tunis Agenda but India wants to be pragmatic and flexible, have a debate without a fixed outcome, and favors a WG on EC, which is different.  So are they still supporting the proposal, or no?  Have any other governments ever expressed support for it?
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> We all do know that governments do all kinds of things, do we therefore then refuse to agree to constitute them at all, and certainly refuse to vote.... Do you take and practise such an anarchic view with respect to your own national politics. If not, why so? One can easily construct many such parodies vis a vis the US government,and what it implies to vote in any government at all for governing the US.

Anarchic?  You're confusing me with Avri, maybe…?
> 
> Why do such anarchic dispositions rise up only when global politics is concerned. Is it a fear by the rich parts of the world of having to share the undue benefits and advantages that they may be sitting on? 

The rich parts of the world (a couple billion people) aren't a singular actor with a singular preference for anarchy (?), but it's fair to say one doesn't hear many expressions of support from there for multilateral oversight of CIR.  I don't believe the reasons for this can be fairly reduced to fear of sharing undue benefits and advantages, or that's it's obvious what that might mean in this context.  

See you tomorrow,

Bill

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> On Sunday 20 May 2012 08:33 PM, michael gurstein wrote:
>> 
>> Quite honestly Bill, the actual meaning/logic of your (I think meant to be)
>> ironic comment escapes me (I read it four times and it still escapes me...
>> 
>> (and by my reckoning had either or both of Iran and Pakistan signed on to
>> some global treaty about Internet Rights/rights on the Internet (or
>> something similar) it would I'm assuming, be even a wee bit more difficult
>> for the respectie governments to act in this high-handed way by for example,
>> giving those internally in opposition an international agreement to point
>> to/argue for before the courts; and also give those externally who disagree
>> with those actions some specific context for them to exercise their
>> disagreement; or have I missed something here.
>> 
>> M
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org
>> [mailto:governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org] On Behalf Of William Drake
>> Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2012 7:39 AM
>> To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org
>> Subject: Re: [governance] Twitter officially shutdown to Internet users in
>> Pakistan
>> 
>> 
>> On May 20, 2012, at 3:30 PM, Fouad Bajwa wrote:
>> 
>>   
>>> Twitter officially shutdown in Pakistan - Twitter Banned in Pakistan
>>> http://internetsgovernance.blogspot.com/2012/05/twitter-officially-shu
>>> tdown-in-pakistan.html
>>>     
>> If only "the oversight of the Internet's critical technical and logical
>> infrastructure" could be "transferred to an appropriate, democratic and
>> participative multilateral body" so that Pakistan would not be forced to
>> take unilateral action merely to shut out this evil monopolist that, with
>> three other sites, controls "much of what is considered to be the Internet
>> today by most people today".
>>  
>> 
>> On May 13, 2012, at 12:25 AM, michael gurstein wrote:
>> 
>>   
>>>> "The telecommunications minister has ordered the use of domain names
>>>> ending with .ir" belonging to Iran, Asr Ertebatat reported.
>>>> 
>>>> The order prohibits banks, insurance firms and telephone firms using
>>>> foreign hosts for their sites or to inform their clients using foreign 
>>>> providers such as Yahoo, Gmail, Hotmail or MSN, it said.
>>>>       
>> If only "the oversight of the Internet's critical technical and logical
>> infrastructure" could be "transferred to an appropriate, democratic and
>> participative multilateral body" so that Iran would not be forced to take
>> unilateral action merely to shut out these evil monopolists...
>> 
>> We demand it!
>>  
>> 
>> 
>>   
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