[governance] Twitter officially shutdown to Internet users in Pakistan

[William Drake]

Hi Mike

On May 20, 2012, at 5:41 PM, michael gurstein wrote:

> 
> Bill,
> 
> Is this a fact that Iran and Pakistann have indicated that they  "would like
> 'the oversight of the Internet's critical technical and logical
> infrastructure" to be "transferred to an appropriate, democratic and
> participative multilateral body.'"

Uh, yes..?  Both governments have made statements publicly and privately calling for intergovernmental control over CIR since WSIS phase I.  "Democratic" and "multilateral" have been consistent, the other words have varied, sometimes "suitable," "inclusive" etc.  

> 
> If so would it be possible to share the reference and if possible a listing
> of all the other countries that have similarly indicated this as a
> preference.

Sorry, I don't have handy copies of the transcripts from every WSIS, WGIG, IGF, CSTD, ITU etc. meeting in which they and others have expressed their preferences, but I imagine if you dig around with a search engine of your choice you should find some stuff.

Cheers

Bill
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: William Drake [mailto:william.drake at uzh.ch] 
> Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2012 8:36 AM
> To: michael gurstein
> Cc: governance at lists.igcaucus.org
> Subject: Re: [governance] Twitter officially shutdown to Internet users in
> Pakistan
> 
> 
> Hi Mike,
> 
> Sorry, didn't think it was obscure.  These are among the governments that
> would like "the oversight of the Internet's critical technical and logical
> infrastructure" to be "transferred to an appropriate, democratic and
> participative multilateral body."  There's not much chance that such a body
> would produce a global treaty about Internet Rights/rights on the Internet
> that would constrain them, when what they plainly want is a mechanism that
> strengthens sovereign control and gives them international cover in taking
> such actions. 
> 
> Best,
> 
> Bill
> 
> On May 20, 2012, at 5:03 PM, michael gurstein wrote:
> 
>> Quite honestly Bill, the actual meaning/logic of your (I think meant 
>> to be) ironic comment escapes me (I read it four times and it still 
>> escapes me...
>> 
>> (and by my reckoning had either or both of Iran and Pakistan signed on 
>> to some global treaty about Internet Rights/rights on the Internet (or 
>> something similar) it would I'm assuming, be even a wee bit more 
>> difficult for the respectie governments to act in this high-handed way 
>> by for example, giving those internally in opposition an international 
>> agreement to point to/argue for before the courts; and also give those 
>> externally who disagree with those actions some specific context for 
>> them to exercise their disagreement; or have I missed something here.
>> 
>> M
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org
>> [mailto:governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org] On Behalf Of William 
>> Drake
>> Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2012 7:39 AM
>> To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org
>> Subject: Re: [governance] Twitter officially shutdown to Internet users in
>> Pakistan
>> 
>> 
>> On May 20, 2012, at 3:30 PM, Fouad Bajwa wrote:
>> 
>>> Twitter officially shutdown in Pakistan - Twitter Banned in Pakistan 
>>> http://internetsgovernance.blogspot.com/2012/05/twitter-officially-sh
>>> u
>>> tdown-in-pakistan.html
>> 
>> 
>> If only "the oversight of the Internet's critical technical and 
>> logical infrastructure" could be "transferred to an appropriate, 
>> democratic and participative multilateral body" so that Pakistan would 
>> not be forced to take unilateral action merely to shut out this evil 
>> monopolist that, with three other sites, controls "much of what is 
>> considered to be the Internet today by most people today".
>> 
>> 
>> On May 13, 2012, at 12:25 AM, michael gurstein wrote:
>> 
>>>> 
>>>> "The telecommunications minister has ordered the use of domain names 
>>>> ending with .ir" belonging to Iran, Asr Ertebatat reported.
>>>> 
>>>> The order prohibits banks, insurance firms and telephone firms using 
>>>> foreign hosts for their sites or to inform their clients using 
>>>> foreign providers such as Yahoo, Gmail, Hotmail or MSN, it said.
>> 
>> 
>> If only "the oversight of the Internet's critical technical and 
>> logical infrastructure" could be "transferred to an appropriate, 
>> democratic and participative multilateral body" so that Iran would not 
>> be forced to take unilateral action merely to shut out these evil 
>> monopolists...
>> 
>> We demand it!
>> 
>> 
> 

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