<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Hi Mike<div><br><div><div>On May 20, 2012, at 5:41 PM, michael gurstein wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div><br>Bill,<br><br>Is this a fact that Iran and Pakistann have indicated that they "would like<br>'the oversight of the Internet's critical technical and logical<br>infrastructure" to be "transferred to an appropriate, democratic and<br>participative multilateral body.'"<br></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Uh, yes..? Both governments have made statements publicly and privately calling for intergovernmental control over CIR since WSIS phase I. "Democratic" and "multilateral" have been consistent, the other words have varied, sometimes "suitable," "inclusive" etc. </div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div><br>If so would it be possible to share the reference and if possible a listing<br>of all the other countries that have similarly indicated this as a<br>preference.<br></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Sorry, I don't have handy copies of the transcripts from every WSIS, WGIG, IGF, CSTD, ITU etc. meeting in which they and others have expressed their preferences, but I imagine if you dig around with a search engine of your choice you should find some stuff.</div><div><br></div><div>Cheers</div><div><br></div><div>Bill</div><blockquote type="cite"><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><br></font></div></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><div><br>-----Original Message-----<br>From: William Drake [mailto:william.drake@uzh.ch] <br>Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2012 8:36 AM<br>To: michael gurstein<br>Cc: <a href="mailto:governance@lists.igcaucus.org">governance@lists.igcaucus.org</a><br>Subject: Re: [governance] Twitter officially shutdown to Internet users in<br>Pakistan<br><br><br>Hi Mike,<br><br>Sorry, didn't think it was obscure. These are among the governments that<br>would like "the oversight of the Internet's critical technical and logical<br>infrastructure" to be "transferred to an appropriate, democratic and<br>participative multilateral body." There's not much chance that such a body<br>would produce a global treaty about Internet Rights/rights on the Internet<br>that would constrain them, when what they plainly want is a mechanism that<br>strengthens sovereign control and gives them international cover in taking<br>such actions. <br><br>Best,<br><br>Bill<br><br>On May 20, 2012, at 5:03 PM, michael gurstein wrote:<br><br><blockquote type="cite">Quite honestly Bill, the actual meaning/logic of your (I think meant <br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">to be) ironic comment escapes me (I read it four times and it still <br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">escapes me...<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">(and by my reckoning had either or both of Iran and Pakistan signed on <br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">to some global treaty about Internet Rights/rights on the Internet (or <br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">something similar) it would I'm assuming, be even a wee bit more <br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">difficult for the respectie governments to act in this high-handed way <br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">by for example, giving those internally in opposition an international <br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">agreement to point to/argue for before the courts; and also give those <br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">externally who disagree with those actions some specific context for <br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">them to exercise their disagreement; or have I missed something here.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">M<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">-----Original Message-----<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">From: <a href="mailto:governance-request@lists.igcaucus.org">governance-request@lists.igcaucus.org</a><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">[mailto:governance-request@lists.igcaucus.org] On Behalf Of William <br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Drake<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2012 7:39 AM<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">To: <a href="mailto:governance@lists.igcaucus.org">governance@lists.igcaucus.org</a><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Subject: Re: [governance] Twitter officially shutdown to Internet users in<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Pakistan<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">On May 20, 2012, at 3:30 PM, Fouad Bajwa wrote:<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Twitter officially shutdown in Pakistan - Twitter Banned in Pakistan <br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><a href="http://internetsgovernance.blogspot.com/2012/05/twitter-officially-sh">http://internetsgovernance.blogspot.com/2012/05/twitter-officially-sh</a><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">u<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">tdown-in-pakistan.html<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">If only "the oversight of the Internet's critical technical and <br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">logical infrastructure" could be "transferred to an appropriate, <br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">democratic and participative multilateral body" so that Pakistan would <br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">not be forced to take unilateral action merely to shut out this evil <br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">monopolist that, with three other sites, controls "much of what is <br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">considered to be the Internet today by most people today".<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">On May 13, 2012, at 12:25 AM, michael gurstein wrote:<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">"The telecommunications minister has ordered the use of domain names <br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">ending with .ir" belonging to Iran, Asr Ertebatat reported.<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">The order prohibits banks, insurance firms and telephone firms using <br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">foreign hosts for their sites or to inform their clients using <br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">foreign providers such as Yahoo, Gmail, Hotmail or MSN, it said.<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">If only "the oversight of the Internet's critical technical and <br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">logical infrastructure" could be "transferred to an appropriate, <br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">democratic and participative multilateral body" so that Iran would not <br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">be forced to take unilateral action merely to shut out these evil <br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">monopolists...<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">We demand it!<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><br></div></blockquote></div><br></div></body></html>