[governance] CIRP+

Sun May 13 05:53:44 EDT 2012

Wolfgang,

I have many things to say about your arguments, but about that perhaps 
we can go on  endlessly. But let me be pragmatic and precise.

Do you agree that

(1) there are many pressing global public policy issues, the kind of 
which OECD and CoE is so actively dealing with at present

(2) it is not globally democratic that OECD and CoE as clubs of a few 
rich countries do all this (default) global policy making.

If you do not agree to the above, lets just first discuss this. If you 
do, lets move to the next step

Vide (2) above, developing countries, their governments as well as 
people, are obviously not happy with the situation. The May 18th meeting 
is about this specific  problem. And you will also recognise the 
dangerous directions that our joint statement argues the Internet may be 
moving towards, and the need to address this problem.

Since you seem to have some model in mind, inspired by WGIG or whatever, 
why dont you present a clear proposal of what global institutional 
mechanism should address the global public policy issues that are today 
addressed by OECD/CoE.   Please tell us clearly what would be the 
structure of this new mechanism, what functions will it perform, and 
how, what would be its outcomes and how will they be implemented. How 
would it address the public policy imperatives in all IG areas that need 
global attention.... What would be its relationship with the current 
technical/ CIR governance system. People are looking for real solutions 
to real issues, and the May18 meeting is about that. I would request you 
to be as clear and precise about your model as possible...

Otherwise, just criticising every model for change that is proposed is 
simply voting for the status quo.

parminder

On Sunday 13 May 2012 02:29 PM, "Kleinwächter, Wolfgang" wrote:
> Parminder:
> WGIG was an advisory body to the intergovernmental WSIS. It had no independent standing or decision making capacity.
>
> Wolfgang:
> Formally you are right. But de facto, WGIG "decided" to define IG, to create the IGF and - as a result of a lack of consensus within WGIG - to launch a process for further discussion on oversight (which ended in EC). A new WGIG would not just repeat what the old was. It has to take the next formal step: From an body which prepares decision to a body which is able to produce rough consensus. The innovation with WGIG was that all stakeholders participated equally in the discussion and drafting of the report. Membership was not "layered". What you propose is a "layered" system. This is the hierarchical thinking of the 20th century. What we need is a network thinking for the 21st century.
>
> Parminder:
> CIRP proposes three separate advisory bodies which can of course draft clear, written recs like WGIG did. I dont even see any special barrier for them to do it together if they so wish, but then like WGIG report went to WSIS, and it took and left out things that it wanted to to draft the authoritative Tunis documents, the same may happen with CIRP/ GA.
>
> Wolfgang:
> That is the problem with CIRP. CIRP does no follow the "WGIG model" it follows the "WSIS Bureau model" where the non-governmental stakeholders were put into isolated baskets (CS&  PS bureaus) on a lower layer with the option to give "advise" to the "master layer", the intergovernmental bureau. In the reality of the WSIS case, the advise from the CS bureau was sidelined.  We made 86 recommendations during PrepCom3 (September 2003) and when we analyzed the draft produced by the intergovernmental bureau after they got our recommendations we discovered, that 82 recommendations were totally ignored and that 4 recommendations went into very vague paragraphs of the intergovernmental document. We called this "ignorance" and "arrogance" and this produced a deep crisis for the whole summit with the option of a walkout of Civil Society. It needed a lot of diplomatic efforts of the Swiss president Pierre Couchepin to keep the CS inside the WSIS process (a lot of CS wanted to got to Plan B and to protest and march through the streets of Geneva). I remember two night sessions in the Swiss embassy in Geneva, a special invitation by the Lord Mayor of the City of Geneva and a press conference with Minister Marc Furrer, Pierre Couchepin, Utsumi, Karen Banks and me in the conference center. They argued that they can not include CS proposals directly into their documents which are negotiated among governments. We argued we can not give (the wanted) legitimicy to a declaration which is negotiated only by governments. CS was invited to WSIS, now we are here and we want to participate in Realpolitik. To give us a seat on the table in exchange for being silent if it comes to decision making is no option. The compromise was to have two final documents in the end: A governmental declaration and the civil society declaration. It makes sense (and I recommend this not only to you but to everybody) to read again - in the light of the experiences of the last ten years - the civil society WSIS declaration. (http://www.itu.int/wsis/docs/geneva/civil-society-declaration.pdf).
>
> The Geneva compromise was good for the moment. But it was a bad experience. It was 2003. At this time the multistakeholder model was still a baby. It grew with WGIG. Now it is a child. Not yet an adult. And you want to repeat this experience now in 2012? Look forward, not backwards and be more innovative. There is no need to continue with the mistakes of the past.
>
> BTW, you always critisize OECD. Did you notice the problems CISAC has? The step forward is that it can make its voice heard. But there is long way to participate in decision making. CISAC is on the road, but still in the rain. The OECD model - and CIRP is obviously partly inspired by it - is good for an existing organisation, but not for a new one. If the 2nd Committee of the UNGA (or the ITU) establishes advisory bodies for non-govenrmental stakeholders, including civil society, this would be an interesting proposal to enhance the mechanisms of yesterday. But if you want to create something new, you have to meet the challenges of tomorrow.
>
> Wolfgang
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