[governance] [liberationtech] Chinese preparing for a "Autonomous Internet" ?

[Dominique Lacroix]

Hi all,

Le 28/06/12 00:22, JFC Morfin a écrit :
> Dominique,
> do you know if they were/are jailed in Guantanamo?
Dear Jefsey,
No, in the so called "small Guantanamo", Federal Correctional Complex, 
Terre haute, one of the two places of the "Communication management 
Unit": http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communication_Management_Unit.

I do think we cannot discuss usefully this topic before the next US 
presidential elections.
Perhaps we would better spend out time talking about WCIT2012 in details.

@+, Dominique
>
> Never mind what these people actually are/did
>
> 1) they should be protected by diplomatic immunity (since they never
> hiden who they were and were they operated) until proved to be actual
> terrorists by an international court (what did not prevent the US to
> put to jail or to expulse them).
>
> 2) they assume a national public service: that service should have
> been continued to the benefit of Iraquis people and to all the people
> accessing their hosts. Every possibility should have been investigated
> to that end, including a temporary management by ICANN wich is
> accountable of the stability of the _entire_ DNS CLASS "IN"
> (ICANN/NTIA).
>
> jfc
>
> 2012/6/27, Dominique Lacroix <dl at panamo.eu>:
>> David,
>>
>> Beyond some wandering, I think we agree. The personal destiny of the .iq
>> registry managers doesn't seem related to an IANA abuse, neither from
>> USG, nor from ICANN. Ok on that precise point. BTW, it was the sense of
>> my first post on the topic.
>> But - I wonder why - I cannot help but to imagine may be sort of...
>> coincidental relations between the country designated by the .iq ccTLD,
>> the Palestinian origin of the registry managers and the cruelty of their
>> trials and sentences.
>> And the global impression is not at the advantage of the US, I'm sad to
>> tell you such a thing. At the contrary, it seems to be a stone on the
>> increasing militarization of the Internet.
>> The America the world liked, the one of the Founding fathers, sister of
>> the European Enlightenments, is another one.
>>
>> @+, best, Dominique
>>
>>
>> Le 26/06/12 22:29, David Conrad a écrit :
>>> Dominique,
>>>
>>> On Jun 26, 2012, at 5:15 AM, Dominique Lacroix wrote:
>>>> Sorry for the ellipsis, David. The .IQ/Elashi brothers case is simply
>>>> showing, imho, that as we can observe diverse laws in diverse countries.
>>> No argument.  My confusion here stems from the fact that we were talking
>>> about the USG "oversight" role with respect to root zone management.  My
>>> understanding of the .IQ case (without commenting on whether there was a
>>> miscarriage of justice regarding the Elashi brothers) was that the USG
>>> "oversight" role was uninvoked because the request got stuck in the IANA
>>> processes, specifically with difficulties trying to establish the wishes
>>> of the Internet community, prior to the USG "oversight" role being called
>>> upon.
>>>
>>>> In our scope, the case shows that DNS architecture is also a very
>>>> political game.
>>> While I agree that the DNS has become very political, I'm unsure how the
>>> .IQ case shows this. The fact that the Elashi brothers were the
>>> administrative contacts for .IQ seems (as far as I can tell) coincidental
>>> to the difficulties they ran into. I figure the .HT case is far more
>>> interesting in the context of Internet Governance as it suggest the need
>>> for oversight. However, as mentioned, both of these were before my time at
>>> IANA so I may not have a full understanding.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> -drc


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