[governance] [liberationtech] Chinese preparing for a "Autonomous Internet" ?

Mon Jun 25 11:43:00 EDT 2012

Dear Parminder,

Thank you for your courage. And thank you also to all the American 
buddies who participate this list with an open mind and a real worry to 
find right positions for their country.

I believe that sometimes, in a demonstration, a real case may be less 
strong than a theoretical point.
The .iq domain seems not to have been ever cut neither by Icann nor by USG:
- according to /The Register/, the first registry operator, Elashi 
brothers, two Palestinian managing an Internet company in Texas, had 
obtained the domain from Jon Postel in 1997, in recognition of Bayan 
Elashi's great skills.
But, the domain had never been active when the brothers were jailed.
(See 
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/07/09/iraq_domain_owner_convicted/ and 
related articles by Kieren McCarthy).

The reason why the five Elashi were -and are still- jailed cannot be 
usefully discussed here. (More information on civilfreedoms.org.)
Even the UN sometimes declare embargo to weaken a country.
And even the European Union blacklisted the /Holy Land Foundation for 
Relief and Development/ (involved in Elashi convictions) as a terrorist 
organization (Council common position 2005/936/CFSP of 21/12/2005).
Further story about how .iq was redelagated and hardly began its life 
has been told in the IANA Report on the Redelegation of the .IQ 
Top-Level Domain 
<http://www.iana.org/reports/2005/iq-report-05aug2005.pdf> dated 05/08/2005.

So, even with a multilateral oversight on IANA function instead of kind 
Mr Strickling'eyes nowadays, a ccTLD could be redelegated by force!

BUT, the unilateral oversight should not be accepted for very political 
reasons, and only for them, without needing anything else.
Because, with the important role of Internet now, it puts countries in 
the hands of only one, that CANNOT guarantee, of course, that it will 
always be governed by wise men...

And the argument assuming that all the partners of the distributed chain 
under the root could disobey a fool order, it is simply nullified by 
history and by social psychology studies. Please see the US researcher 
Stanley Milgram's experiment about obedience to authority. And imagine 
the same case with huge propaganda after a shock like Pearl Harbour or 
9/11...

I'll come back here later about the Chinese proposal.

Best regards, Dom

-- 
Dominique Lacroix
Présidente
Société européenne de l'Internet
http://www.ies-france.eu
+33 (0)6 63 24 39 14

Le 25/06/12 13:16, parminder a écrit :
>
>
> On Monday 25 June 2012 03:02 PM, c.a. wrote:
>> David, the only relevant "RFC" in the .iq case was a determination from the USG for Icann to suspend the domain.
>>    
>
> In the circumstances, David, I dont know how you , and others, have 
> been insisting that such kind of a thing has never ever happened, and 
> therefore we need no protection against.
>
> This is the worst possible transgression, and abuse, of the oversight 
> authority by the US. What greater damning example do you need. parminder
>
>> Sent from a tablet
>>
>> On 25/06/2012, at 01:01, David Conrad<drc at virtualized.org>  wrote:
>>
>>    
>>> Louis,
>>>
>>> While this was before my time at ICANN, my understanding is that the USG (or its policies) had no role in the delays relating to redelegation.  Rather, there is a long standing (and quite controversial) policy within ICANN/IANA that goes back to RFC 1591 that dictates that any change of control of a TLD must be demonstrated to be in the best interests of "the Internet community" (not necessarily the government) of the country/territory.  In the .IQ case, ICANN (not the USG) was unable to determine whether the change was in the country's "Internet community's" best interest.  In such cases, the policy dictates that the best course of action is to not make any changes until the situation stabilized in Iraq enough to establish the wishes of "the Internet community".
>>>
>>> This policy is one of the most problematic for IANA staff to implement for obvious reasons (e.g., what does "the Internet community" mean and how do you measure its best interests), but it does not reflect USG intercession on the redelegation.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> -drc
>>>
>>> On Jun 24, 2012, at 12:45 PM, Louis Pouzin (well) wrote:
>>>      
>>>> English translation:
>>>>
>>>> « Iraq gets back its domain name .Iq
>>>>
>>>> by the editor, ZDNet France. Published Monday, August 8, 2005
>>>> Tags: Internet, Politics, Domain Names,
>>>>
>>>> - ICANN has just returned to Iraq the management of its domain name - the ".Iq". The international body responsible for regulating the domain name system (DNS) has entrusted the task to the National Iraqi Communications and Media Commission (NCMC).
>>>>
>>>> The [Irak] government organization claimed .Iq for more than a year, but Icann believed the country too unstable to do it. It validated the request at a recent meeting, saying "acting in the best interest of local and global Internet communities."
>>>>
>>>> Since 1997 .Iq belonged to the Texas company InfoCom, which was responsible for its management until 2002. Date on which ICANN suspended the domain name, after several company executives were suspected of having links with Hamas, considered a terrorist organization by U.S. authorities.
>>>>
>>>> The management change will allow the Iraqi government to standardize its e-mail and web addresses. »
>>>>
>>>> Louis
>>>>
>>>>        
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