[governance] About Facebook blocked and content removed in Brazil

Tue Jun 5 07:06:56 EDT 2012

Jacqueline

Not sure if you are replying to what I said or making your own points.
It would appear that the former is the case. I said Facebook is a
"public place", you retorted that "it is not public, it is a private
site". These are two entirely different issues.

You cannot wonder into a members' club without someone checking
whether you have the right to be in there. Yet any child can walk into
a shop without being barred and queried about it. And the shop is
private. So, let's us not muddle the issues here.

Any child on the internet can go on Facbook and whether 13 or not, can
create a profile and go there regularly. THAT is the point I was
making.

Rui

On 5 June 2012 12:56, Jacqueline Morris <jam at jacquelinemorris.com> wrote:
> Facebook isn't public. It's a private site with terms and conditions to
> which one agrees before joining.
>
> One term is  - no children under 13 allowed to join. Another one of those
> Terms is no nudity. Period. Facebook has taken down pics of mothers
> breastfeeding, children frolicking, all sorts of other
> non-controversial subjects. But that's their prerogative. It's their
> website.  If you want to join Facebook, you follow their rules. You don't
> follow their rules, they throw you out, block your profile. And they can.
>
> It's not censorship or anything like that. It has nothing to do with the
> media, with what children can or cannot see, with "community standards" or
> global morality. It has to do with Mr. Zuckerberg and his staff, and what
> they want posted on their website and what they don't want posted on their
> website.
>
> I think people really forget that Facebook isn't a public common, but a
> privately owned website (despite the IPO, it's still a privately owned
> domain, just owned by more people now)
>
>
>
> Jacqueline A. Morris
> Technology should be like oxygen: Ubiquitous, Necessary, Invisible and Free.
> (after Chris Lehmann )
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 4:44 AM, Rui Correia <correia.rui at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I tried to go through the posts, but found very little of any use.
>>
>> Perhaps most people are gogetting that Facebook is a public place,
>> with children of all ages participating everyday.
>>
>> If you watch tv, whatever you watch comes with an age rating and an
>> advisory block to the parent/ adult about language, nudity, violence,
>> sex, etc. That person can then act accordingly. Subscription channels
>> come with parental controI mechanismc. In a cinema, you will not be
>> allowed in with your 7-year-old in tow to watch an adult/ R-rated/
>> X-rated movie.
>>
>> And as someone has been trying to point out all along, FB is viewed
>> around the world.
>>
>> I am against censorship of all sorts, but we seem to be forgetting the
>> basic test of 'shouting "FIRE" in a crowded theatre'.
>>
>> So, for all of you shouting sensorship, how do you suggest that
>> Facebook protect a young child from images that HIS PARENTS would not
>> want him/ her to see?
>>
>> The last image below says "I am a slut" (in the context of the
>> translation of "Slut Walk"/ Marcha das Vadias"). It is perfecty fine
>> as an instrument of protest - but I doubt that woman in picture would
>> show it to her own young children.
>>
>> A few examples from the "Marchas das Vadias".
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/juperestrelo/7288652922/
>> http://www.bluebus.com.br/afotos/marcha_das_vadias_censurada_facebook.jpg
>> http://latuffcartoons.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/marcha-das-vadias1.gif
>> http://blogay.blogfolha.uol.com.br/files/2012/05/151836-970x600-1.jpg
>>
>>
>> On 30 May 2012 17:32, Marilia Maciel <mariliamaciel at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > Last weekend a feminist march took place in several cities in Brazil. It
>> > is
>> > called "March of Bitches" (Marcha das Vadias) and it is an international
>> > movement that was born in Canada. Some women decided to March wearing
>> > lingerie or with naked breasts as a way to call attention to violence
>> > against women, women's liberty and sexual rights and they posted their
>> > own
>> > pictures in Facebook. Their pictures were removed and their profile was
>> > blocked.
>> >
>> > So, let me get this right: Brazilian media publishes the pictures from
>> > the
>> > protest, in a sign that this would not at all hurt the average citizen.
>> > But
>> > Facebook (the platform where most of the use of the Internet is,
>> > unfortunately, converging to) gets to decide what people can or cannot
>> > show
>> > in their albums; what is pornography, and where to draw the line of
>> > morality. It has been reported in Brazil that Facebook is also blocking
>> > old
>> > pictures from well known artists that display naked people, and pictures
>> > from little girls aged 3-4 posted by their parents, because they were
>> > not
>> > wearing shirts.
>> >
>> > This seems a very undemocratic, opaque and potentially dangerous way of
>> > conducting Internet governance. The news (in Portuguese) and one of the
>> > controversial pictures can be accessed
>> >
>> > here: http://www1.folha.uol.com.br/tec/1097488-facebook-bloqueia-usuarias-que-aparecem-seminuas-em-fotos-da-marcha-das-vadias.shtml
>> >
>> > Marília
>> >
>> >
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>> > Getulio Vargas Foundation
>> > Rio de Janeiro - Brazil
>> >
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