[governance] "Oversight"

[Fouad Bajwa]

Going back to an earlier discussion and announcement by ICANN that it
was not party to domain name seizures, verisign was, who does verisign
signs its contracts with? Isn't ICANN partially a member of that
process? Did ICANN step into protect the rights of the domains that
its stakeholder is distributing? Do read the comments by the readers
at the end of the post.

http://blog.icann.org/2010/12/icann-doesn%E2%80%99t-take-down-websites/

And here is a list of websites pulled down in lieu of season's sales
in the US last year. I wonder how many governments were consulted on
this matter at ICANN or with its stakeholders and made public before
the action was taken or is it that this authority doesn't have to
consult any stakeholder? Oh no one indeed since its a US IPR issue and
no one else has anything to do with their jurisdiction?

http://www.ice.gov/news/releases/1111/111128washingtondc.htm

List of domains seized
http://www.ice.gov/doclib/news/releases/2010/domain_names.pdf

ICANN is weak and I don't believe in weak institutions. I live in a
country full of them. The beauty of this discussion is that it will go
on and on......

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On Mon, Jun 4, 2012 at 1:19 AM, Vanda UOL <vanda at uol.com.br> wrote:
>  Dear David,   you right, ICANN has no such power and wherever is will be
> located I don´t believe ICANN will have such power, with or without judicial
> order.
> Critical internet resources was a term used by  the first movement in the
> IGF to define mostly addresses, though the reality is wider  under the civil
> society interpretation, since telecommunications for instance is critical,
> electricity is also  critical... and  other not tangible issues as human
> rights and similar ..
>
>
> Vanda Scartezini
> Polo Consultores Associados
> IT Trend
> Avenida Paulista 1159 cj 1004
> 01311-200 São Paulo,SP, Brasil
> Tel + 5511 3266.6253
> Mob + 55118181.1464
> Dissemine esta idéia:
> Digite o dominio ao inves do telefone.
> Domain dialing
>   www.siter.com
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Mensagem original-----
> De: governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org
> [mailto:governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org] Em nome de David Conrad
> Enviada em: domingo, 3 de junho de 2012 16:33
> Para: governance at lists.igcaucus.org
> Assunto: Re: [governance] "Oversight"
>
> Hi,
>
> I hesitate to intrude here (being new to the list, so I'm sure I'm missing
> some context), but:
>
> On Jun 3, 2012, at 6:34 AM, Fouad Bajwa wrote:
>> It takes one judicial order to get ICANN to shut down any website, be
>> it american or from some other country.
>
> Technically, this is incorrect. There is no mechanism, even theoretical, by
> which ICANN could unilaterally shut down a website (well, other than their
> own of course) be it demanded by judicial order or not. Or are you
> suggesting there is the perception by the "ignorant" and that ICANN can do
> this and that "they will learn"?
>
>> no one
>> outside the US boders has any kind of control over their critical
>> internet resources.
>
> Sorry, I don't understand this statement. What are "critical internet
> resources" over which people within US borders have control and those
> outside don't?
>
> Regards,
> -drc
>
>
>
>
>
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