[governance] ECTF - initial draft proposal online

[Avri Doria]

Hi,

Ooops, I missed the 2013 in your plans.   I knew I would get something wrong when I set out to reply to your message.

And while I am not sure this is the option I support, I completely agree that by IGF 2013, some option should be well along and the IGF plan should include it. 

Finally, of course I would have tried to timeshare between the pre-events.  
And in good old IETF/IGF spirit I will join a mailing list when one is created, wherever it is created.
(I am not sure that using the IGC list is the right idea, as mentioned in the draft, but a private list is ok, there are lots of those)

avri

On 11 Jul 2012, at 14:55, Norbert Bollow wrote:

> Avri Doria <avri at ella.com> wrote:
>> I will be curious to see how this goes.  Do you expect any conversation in
>> Vancouver? A bar BoF?
> 
> Perhaps unfortunately I missed the deadline for I-D submission for
> consideration in Vancouver, and I've also not made any plans nor
> arranged for funding for going to Vancouver myself. Alas the next
> IETF after this, in Atlanta GA in November, clashes with the Baku
> IGF. So it seems to me that realistically, the first opportunities
> when I might try to create a conversation about the ECTF idea in an
> IETF context would be in Orlando in March 2013 and/or in Berlin in
> July 2013.
> 
> Actually I think that it makes sense to seriously start the
> conversations about the ECTF idea not primarily in the IETF context
> but first in the context of the 2012 IGF (and preparatory / pre-events
> in that context), and only proceed to raise it in IETF contexts after
> the proposal has been updated to reflect what I will learn from the
> feedback that I can get in Baku.
> 
>> Note: IETF is also hosting non-WG mailing lists, so perhaps if you
>> see an interest in the IETF environment you can talk to the ADs
>> about getting one of those going.
> 
> Do you see a benefit of taking that path, instead of e.g. hosting a
> list myself at enhanced-cooperation.org? (As we have seen, the step
> that I've taken in putting my proposal in the form of an I-D already
> comes with the risk of being misunderstood as proposing to expand the
> authority of the IETF. My feeling that in addition using an IETF-hosted
> mailing list would likely increase this problem more than I could
> justify.)
> 
>> I will also be curious as to how the IAB and ISOC respond to the
>> draft.
> 
> Me also.
> 
>> They could take up the call and say something.
> 
> Yes, that would be nice. Although at the current stage, when the main
> goal must be to convince some governments to support the idea, I'm
> not sure how much an endorsement from IAB and/or ISOC would help.
> 
>> On a related note, in
>> <http://www.internetsociety.org/blog/2012/07/internet-governance-what-enhanced-cooperation>
>> 
>> "
>> We agreed with the Association of Progressive Communication (APC)
>> and ICC-BASIS to organize a one-day pre-event back-to-back with the
>> IGF in Baku on 5 November 2012. We also approached the previous
>> developing country IGF Hosts and have received positive answers from
>> Brazil, Egypt and Kenya to participate in this event. I announced
>> this initiative on a panel on the Internet governance landscape at
>> the ICANN meeting in Prague on 25 June.
>> "
> 
> I'm aware of this, and hope to get invited. :-)
> 
>> In your draft you suggest:
>> 
>> "
>> The work of this Preparatory Working-Group could begin with an in-
>>   person kick-off meeting which might be a one-day pre-event for the
>>   2013 Internet Governance Forum.
>> "
> 
> Note the reference to the year 2013 there.
> 
>> As I understand it, the pre-event day is shaping up to have several
>> choices. so far I now of possible plans: the high level ministerial,
>> ISOC, Giganet, the EC event Markus mentioned in the blog and the
>> ECTF preparatory.  I expect all of these may have some discussion of
>> EC.  Should be a good day for furthering EC in an IGF context,
>> though I hope the various efforts find way to share some of the
>> common topics so that we are not torn as to which to attend.
> 
> While I feel honored that you list the ECTF preparatory meeting among
> your possible plans, I don't see this as taking place before next
> year. For Baku, I think the goal must be to have good conversations
> among all who see a need for some form of implementation of Enhanced
> Cooperation.
> 
> Greetings,
> Norbert
> 
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