[governance] Is really Bulgarian Cyrillic .бг (.bg) similar to other Latin ccTLDs?

Tue Jan 17 10:38:05 EST 2012

Hi,

I learned that on 4 January there was a meeting in the Bulgarian
Ministry of IT, regarding the IDN ccTLD application. Can someone share
what was discussed there?

Cheers,
George

2011/12/19 Imran Ahmed Shah <ias_pk at yahoo.com>:
>> Otherwise I am confused by your proposal. Are you suggesting that the
>> Bulgarian IDN domain be granted for management to the BR (Brasilia)
>> registry? Likewise for the Greek domain?
>
> [IAS] It's just matter of explanation of implementation. Quoted reference is
> just to give a reference of my wording that the changing ownership change
> the implementation and may resolve the confusions. You are confused because
> if you think that Brazil will be getting Cyrillic .бг as a IDN ccTLD, No,
> not at all, (your unnecessary confusion will benefit (innocently) refusal
> decision).
> Just think if Brazilian ccTLD manager takes Cyrillic .бг as a new gTLD,
> does it has any conflict when Bulgarians release the claim for .бг as IDN
> ccTLD.
>
>>I see two problems with this approach:
>>- ccTLDs are by definition created to serve the "local community" and in
> particular expected to serve the local community according to local laws,
> local traditions and more importantly in local language.
>
> [IAS] not only ccTLD but the IDN ccTLD is expected to server the "local
> community" by any means, but why IDN strings are being compared / evaluated
> with the strings of other languages, ASCI or other IDN tables to explore any
> confusion or conflicts.
>
>>This becomes even more pronounced with IDN ccTLDs.
>>- the IDN ccTLD specifically involves the national Governments, thereby
> making the case of an externally managed IDN ccTLD unworkable.
>
> [IAS] according to their new definition, even both ccTLDs are managed
> locally but the operators are different FT policy will not allow.
>
>>- there is no way to give precedence to ASCII ccTLDs over IDN ccTLDs. In
> the long term, ASCII ccTLDs may in fact become minority.
> Might be, but, I think the ASCII and IDN both will equally workable in new
> gTLD framework to break (or at least crack) the skeleton of current domain
> of popular TLDs.
>
> Imran
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: governance at lists.cpsr.org [mailto:governance at lists.cpsr.org] On
>> Behalf Of Daniel Kalchev
>> Sent: Monday, December 19, 2011 12:43 PM
>> To: governance at lists.cpsr.org
>> Subject: Re: [governance] Is really Bulgarian Cyrillic .бг (.bg) similar
> to other
>> Latin ccTLDs?
>>
>> Dear Imran,
>>
>> There are concerns, that the amendmends address primarily "the EU case",
>> where the string is confusable "with itself". Perhaps this is something
> that
>> has to be addressed/clarified.
>>
>> Otherwise I am confused by your proposal. Are you suggesting that the
>> Bulgarian IDN domain be granted for management to the BR (Brasilia)
>> registry? Likewise for the Greek domain?
>>
>> I see two problems with this approach:
>> - ccTLDs are by definition created to serve the "local community" and in
>> particular expected to serve the local community according to local laws,
> local
>> traditions and more importantly in local language. This becomes even more
>> pronounced with IDN ccTLDs.
>> - the IDN ccTLD specifically involves the national Governments, thereby
>> making the case of an externally managed IDN ccTLD unworkable.
>> - there is no way to give precedence to ASCII ccTLDs over IDN ccTLDs. In
> the
>> long term, ASCII ccTLDs may in fact become minority.
>>
>> [joke mode]
>> We could certainly imagine, that the new Brasilian President, who is of
>> Bulgarian descent could be excited that their local registry could run the
> new
>> Bulgarian IDN ccTLD. That could eventually encourage mutual business, as
> the
>> Brasilian ccTLD manager opens office, local phone numbers, employs
>> Bulgarian speakers etc. Just to please globalism.
>> [joke mode off]
>>
>> The good outcome is, that this development has proven all those who
>> claimed the IDN Fast Track is set in stone wrong. It remains to be seen if
> their
>> other claims hold water.
>>
>> Daniel
>>
>> On 19.12.11 08:43, Imran Ahmed Shah wrote:
>> > Hi Avri, thank you for your apology. (shows your greatness). ccNSO
>> > Council letter, Resolution and endorsement by the board for the
>> > revision of the IDN ccTLD Fast Track provides strong evidence and
>> > example that 1. IDN ccTLD Fast Track (a limited & short term
>> > Implementation Program) was amendable/modifiable. 2. Key resources
>> > understands and acknowledged that similarity can be helpful. 3. The
>> > option/provisioning for adoption of such similar strings was also
>> > known to them. 4. [important] They allowed this option for (and
>> > within) territory and if the applicant for IDN ccTLD & ccTLD Registry
>> > Operator are same. 5. [very important] They intentionally disallowed
>> > the same option for others (out of territory = Global context) and if
>> > the applicants for IDN ccTLD & ccTLD Registry Operator are two
>> > separate entities. The same option /provisioning, we could use (to
>> > claim) for the implementation of Bulgarian Cyrillic .бг (.bg).
>> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>> > ------ Just for reference quoting my previous words: (Sent: Thursday,
>> > November 10, 2011 07:56 PM) ---------------------------------------- "
>> > New study tells that instead of changing the consumer minds, change of
>> > the ownership of the products or services or command may give you
>> > better results. So, applying this new approach, will give following
>> > results: .бг to .br .ελ to .EA (consumers will be offered to enjoy
> the
>> > Visual Similarity, even the .bg users will also be able to get their
>> > domain registered Блгария.Бг) Now, read it again and smile, it
> has
>> > become a commercial model. New gTLD have no concern, what IDN
>> Language
>> > do you select."
>> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>> > ------ We can still right to the Board, similar letter, we can also
>> > write to ICANN Ombudsman that this revision is again reducing Internet
>> > implementation to a territory (locally) instead of Globally and not
>> > providing equal opportunity for everyone. We can also demand to expand
>> > same policy for global implementation as well. Thanks for every one on
>> > sharing thoughts for a combine initiatives in public interest. Regards
>> > Imran Ahmed Shah
>> >> -----Original Message----- From: governance at lists.cpsr.org
>> >> [mailto:governance at lists.cpsr.org] On Behalf Of Avri Doria Sent:
>> >> Sunday, December 18, 2011 07:07 PM To: IGC Subject: Re: [governance]
>> >> Is really Bulgarian Cyrillic .бг (.bg) similar
>> > to other
>> >> Latin ccTLDs? On 16 Dec 2011, at 14:26, Imran Ahmed Shah wrote:
>> >>> Just to update about the revised version of ICANN's IDN ccTLD Fast
>> > Track:
>> >>> Still we were not able to draft or send letter to ccNSO and Board.
>> >> I apologize, I started working on a letter and then got bogged down
>> >> in
>> > trying
>> >> to find a convincing argument; they all make sense when argued here,
>> >> but
>> > in
>> >> terms of crafting a note to the Board that uses existing ICANN policy
>> >> and process and is difficult to ignore, was the challenge. Then I got
>> >> distracted by other activities. I keep thinking I need to get
>> > back to
>> >> doing it, but haven't yet. I keep telling myself next week, and then
>> >> next week I don't. Do people feel there is still a chance we can
>> >> budge the ICANN Board on
>> > this
>> >> issue?
>> >>> =========== ...."Following the ICANN Board's approval on 8 December
>> >>> 2011 of the
>> >> amendment to the IDN ccTLD Fast Track Process Implementation Plan,
>> >>> ICANN is providing this notice of publication for the Revised
>> >>> Implementation Plan. This amendment was considered following
>> >>> guidance received from the
>> >> ccNSO during the ICANN meeting in Dakar, Senegal.
>> >>> Two versions are posted: 1) the revised IDN ccTLD Fast Track Process
>> >>> Implementation Plan
>> >> (http://www.icann.org/en/topics/idn/fast-track/idn-cctld-implementati
>> >> on-
>> >> plan-15dec11-en.pdf[PDF, 851 KB])
>> >>> and 2) a version that tracks the changes from the previous version
>> >> (http://www.icann.org/en/topics/idn/fast-track/idn-cctld-implementati
>> >> on- plan-redline-15dec11-en.pdf[PDF, 902 KB]).
>> >>> The community should take note that the original version of the IDN
>> > ccTLD
>> >> Fast Track Process Implementation Plan is now archived and superseded
>> >> by the Revised Implementation Plan.
>> >>> Background
>> >> Does this change affect the Bulgarian issue at all? I did not think
>> >> so,
>> > since
>> >> they were not saying it was the ASCII ccTLD for Bulgaria that was
>> > confusing.
>> >> It is good that the acknowledgement that reaching out to a linguistic
>> > expert
>> >> should not be a rare occurrence, and perhaps that is relevant. avri
>> >>
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