[governance] Remote Participation

Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com
Fri Feb 24 20:10:55 EST 2012


On Sat, Feb 25, 2012 at 12:19 PM, Deirdre Williams <
williams.deirdre at gmail.com> wrote:

> Perhaps we need a statement that communicates 2 diffrent points of view?
> Compromise is not always possible.


Would you like to Suggest some drafting languahe to that effect?

> Deirdre
>
>
> On 24 February 2012 19:51, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro <
> salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Thanks everyone how do you all propose to reach a compromise between what
>> Adam raised and others are raising. Please make suggestions to drafting
>> language in the Statement Workspace, see:
>> http://www.igcaucus.org/digressit/archives/47
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Feb 25, 2012 at 11:36 AM, Avri Doria <avri at ella.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I agree with what has been said in this thread by the past few writers.
>>>
>>> I used to not beleive in having a Remote only meeting, but now I think I
>>> do.
>>> I tried to participate in meetings remotely and found it to be a near
>>> total failure. I am live in a bandwidth rich zone.
>>>
>>> Plus even when it works technically it does not work in a practical
>>> sense unless the chair, the secretariat, the remote moderator and the other
>>> participants actually make a concerted allowance for it.  And I do not
>>> think I have ever seen in a case where everyone was making allowance.
>>>
>>> The best it ever was, was when the RCWG was doing all the work, and they
>>> really had to work hard to make it even resemble particpation.
>>>
>>> avri
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 24 Feb 2012, at 18:20, Deirdre Williams wrote:
>>>
>>> > I also support what Ginger and Marilia and Anriette are saying.
>>> > What I could possibly want more is a system that works rather than an
>>> intention on paper. I hope this is not too blunt but sometimes I feel that
>>> 'people' are saying "remote participation is a good thing", and then just
>>> stopping there. An excellent ploy might be to have just one meeting remote
>>> access only - so that everyone knows how the other side lives.
>>> > And I think that we all need to fight for it to make it 'really real'.
>>> Yes there will be breakdowns - electrical and otherwise - and yes we're
>>> only just scratching the surface of the language difficulties, but if we
>>> believe in it we can really make it happen.
>>> > Only we have to believe in it and support it - all of us.
>>> > Deirdre
>>> >
>>> > On 24 February 2012 19:04, Anriette Esterhuysen <anriette at apc.org>
>>> wrote:
>>> > Hi all..at two of the workshops I was involved in in Nairobi RM did not
>>> > work.. either not at all, or partially. IN the last few months I have
>>> > had bad experiences in trying to be a remote participant in Geneva
>>> based
>>> > meetings. When my slow connection speed from South Africa interfered
>>> > with my access to the meeting I was blamed for this.. and told that
>>> > other people had no problems (they happened to be in Paris and Rio..
>>> > places with much faster internet than what I have access to).
>>> >
>>> > As for the MAG meetings last week.. I personally spoke to IGF
>>> > secretariat about the difficulties that remote participants were having
>>> > in the morning. There was no improvement because the person responsible
>>> > was having to take notes that were displayed from his PC onto the
>>> > screen.  I raised the concerns on the last day directly, during lunch,
>>> > with the Chair from Azerbaidjan and with the Chair and then there was a
>>> > response.
>>> >
>>> > But, if RM was taken seriously enough then more resoures would have
>>> been
>>> > made available. I am not blaming the secretariat.. they were stretched
>>> > and doing the best they can. The problem is deeper than just this one
>>> > incident.
>>> >
>>> > I strongly support Ginger's points, and Marilia's additions. RM has to
>>> > be taken MUCH more seriously if it is going to be a serious way for
>>> > people to participate, and influence processes, without being
>>> physically
>>> > present.
>>> >
>>> > RM is beginning to feel like MSP (Multi-stakeholder participation). The
>>> > fact that it 'exists' is used to give credibility to processes that
>>> > still have  a very long way to go in being really inclusive. If RM is
>>> to
>>> > be taken seriously it needs more focus and more budget. As long as RM
>>> is
>>> > seen primarily as a way to 'save  money and look good' it will not be
>>> > effective as an alternative to having generally excluded actors
>>> > physically present at meetings.
>>> >
>>> > Anriette
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On 24/02/12 22:00, Marilia Maciel wrote:
>>> > > I support Ginger's e-mail, so I will not repeat her arguments.
>>> > >
>>> > > There is only one additional point I would like to make in response
>>> to
>>> > > Adam, when he quoted what the Chair's report said about remote
>>> > > participation. While it is totally understandable that people who
>>> happen
>>> > > to be working for the IGF will come up with positive results and be
>>> > > inclined to see the bright side of things, I believe that civil
>>> society
>>> > > is expected to present more meaningful, in-depth and constructive
>>> > > analysis of the process, including of remote participation.
>>> > >
>>> > > The difficulties remote participants faced went beyond a simple power
>>> > > shortage on the last day of the IGF, as you implied. Technical and
>>> human
>>> > > resources were not sufficient. This is exemplified by: simple audio
>>> > > adjustments that technicians did not know how to perform, or by the
>>> fact
>>> > > that the hired staff of remote moderators you mentioned were on
>>> strike
>>> > > on the first day of the IGF because they were not receiving enough
>>> money
>>> > > to cover for basic expenses at the venue, or even by the fact that
>>> some
>>> > > workshop organizers, despite all the requests from the secretariat,
>>> did
>>> > > not bother to reply if they had a moderator or not.
>>> > >
>>> > > So the fact that remote participation is a priority on IGF papers, as
>>> > > you pointed out, says little. You asked Deidre "what she could
>>> possibly
>>> > > want more". If you read Ginger's e-mail you will find a list of
>>> wishes.
>>> > > And if the community thinks RP is important (and I think that the
>>> > > increasing interest for remote participation confirms it is ), then
>>> we
>>> > > should make a collective effort to take the opportunity of the
>>> process
>>> > > of discussing the implementation of IGF improvements to give RP a
>>> big push.
>>> > >
>>> > > Marília
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 8:47 AM, Ginger Paque <gpaque at gmail.com
>>> > > <mailto:gpaque at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> > >
>>> > >     Adam said:
>>> > >
>>> > >     I think it's petty to complain about technical problems with the
>>> > >     transcripts etc from the MAG meeting, bad connections happen all
>>> the
>>> > >     time (and if MAG members can't work out how to tell a group of
>>> people
>>> > >     they are having problems with a connection it perhaps says more
>>> about
>>> > >     them than it does about the secretariat/moderators.)
>>> > >
>>> > >     I think that this full discussion and support for RP is very
>>> > >     important and exciting.
>>> > >
>>> > >     I think that using the occasion of the recent meetings as an
>>> example
>>> > >     and illustration is a mistake. I agree with Adam that the tech
>>> > >     glitches during last week's meetings should not even be
>>> > >     addressed--these are obvious. Placing emphasis on tech details
>>> draws
>>> > >     attention from the more valid, and more important principles. I
>>> know
>>> > >     I am repeating myself, but I think they boil down to just one:
>>> > >
>>> > >     RP must be institutionalized in meeting processes.
>>> > >
>>> > >     The only serious problem I see with last week's meetings was the
>>> > >     lack of a remote moderator and clear processes. If RP -- and I
>>> mean
>>> > >     remote participation and remote engagement, not remote
>>> observation
>>> > >     -- were an automatic, standard part of meeting strategies and
>>> > >     processes, the inclusion of an onsite remote moderator would have
>>> > >     been a given, as much as the presence of the traditional chair
>>> and
>>> > >     moderator. I dare to say that if one of the members of the RPWG
>>> had
>>> > >     been at the meetings, they might have 'requested' to be
>>> 'allowed' to
>>> > >     act as remote moderator. Remote moderation and remote
>>> participation
>>> > >     should not depend on collaboration of volunteers and serendipity.
>>> > >     Implementation of RP may always need the collaboration of
>>> > >     volunteers, and the RPWG exists as a volunteer organization,
>>> seeking
>>> > >     the privilege of collaborating, but the planning process should
>>> > >     originate in the IGF structure itself, not in the action of
>>> volunteers.
>>> > >
>>> > >     If RP were institutionalized in the IGF process, the Secretariat
>>> > >     might ask the RPWG for collaboration, and issue a call for
>>> volunteers.
>>> > >
>>> > >     If RP were institutionalized in the IGF process, the Secretariat
>>> > >     might include a RPWG (or other mechanism) liaison for strategy,
>>> > >     planning and process and instead of an endless series of ad hoc
>>> > >     situations.
>>> > >
>>> > >     If RP were institutionalized, Remote Hubs -- an innovation of the
>>> > >     RPWG catalysed by Marilia's energy and organization -- would
>>> become
>>> > >     part of the IGF process, not the RPWG process, would include
>>> remote
>>> > >     hubs whenever appropriate and would include support for regional
>>> IGFs.
>>> > >
>>> > >     I would prefer to see a strong, clear, short statement asking
>>> that
>>> > >     RP be institutionalised (maybe that is not the appropriate word)
>>> as
>>> > >     an integral part of the IGF meeting process.
>>> > >
>>> > >     Establishing principles and guidelines is separate process which
>>> has
>>> > >     been started, and should be coordinated to take advantage of, and
>>> > >     include the different input. It should not be done in a hurry, in
>>> > >     response to one frustrating meeting. Nor should one frustrating
>>> > >     meeting opaque the progress the IGF has made toward inclusive
>>> RP. We
>>> > >     should use this meeting to energize forward progress in an
>>> orderly
>>> > >     manner. Can we form a better strategy and focus for productive
>>> > >     results? I think so. I have not made comments on the existing
>>> > >     statement, because I would re-write it completely, with a
>>> different
>>> > >     approach, with points I have made above.
>>> > >
>>> > >     Is it proper/possible for me to propose an alternate text? I do
>>> not
>>> > >     have the sense that there is consensus for the posts I have made
>>> > >     previously, so I have not done so.
>>> > >
>>> > >     Anyway, again, my 2 cents. Cheers for the energy around remote
>>> > >     participation!
>>> > >
>>> > >     Ginger
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >     Ginger (Virginia) Paque
>>> > >
>>> > >     VirginiaP at diplomacy.edu <mailto:VirginiaP at diplomacy.edu>
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>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >     On 23 February 2012 05:13, Adam Peake <ajp at glocom.ac.jp
>>> > >     <mailto:ajp at glocom.ac.jp>> wrote:
>>> > >
>>> > >         Comment below:
>>> > >
>>> > >         On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 6:33 PM, Salanieta T.
>>> Tamanikaiwaimaro
>>> > >         <salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com
>>> > >         <mailto:salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> > >         > Dear All,
>>> > >         >
>>> > >         > Firstly thank you Deirdre for copying it onto word and
>>> making
>>> > >         it much easier
>>> > >         > to incorporate the new feedback that we received from
>>> Schombe,
>>> > >         Jovan,
>>> > >         > Anriette, Jeremy, Roland, Mariela etc.
>>> > >         >
>>> > >         > Whilst I am copying the text onto this email, I will also
>>> > >         place it on the
>>> > >         > Statement Workspace as well:
>>> > >         >
>>> > >         >
>>> > >         >
>>> > >         >
>>> > >         > STATEMENT BY THE CIVIL SOCIETY INTERNET GOVERNANCE CAUCUS
>>> ON
>>> > >         REMOTE
>>> > >         > PARTICIPATION
>>> > >         >
>>> > >         > We would like to acknowledge the excellent work that the
>>> > >         Internet Governance
>>> > >         > Forum Remote Participation Working Group have been doing
>>> over
>>> > >         the last five
>>> > >         > years. We appreciate the numerous hours of sacrifice and
>>> work
>>> > >         behind the
>>> > >         > scenes to build remote participation to what it is today.
>>>  We
>>> > >         have seen how
>>> > >         > whilst Technology is important, that it goes hand in hand
>>> with
>>> > >         extraordinary
>>> > >         > levels of sacrifice and commitment.  It is this commitment
>>> > >         that enables the
>>> > >         > spirit of the IGF which is in sharing, dialogue,
>>> collaboration and
>>> > >         > ultimately access.
>>> > >         >
>>> > >         > We are fortunate that the Internet Governance Forum
>>> > >         Secretariat and UN DESA
>>> > >         > are open .and committed to continued improvements to Remote
>>> > >         Participation.
>>> > >         > Each year the IGF RPWG commences its operations with
>>> training
>>> > >         of remote
>>> > >         > moderators many weeks ahead of the meeting, where they
>>> discuss
>>> > >         with remote
>>> > >         > hubs and encourage participation and liaise with the
>>> > >         Secretariat to make
>>> > >         > remote participation a reality.
>>> > >         >
>>> > >         > We would like to reiterate and underscore that remote
>>> > >         participation is a
>>> > >         > crucial part of organizing the Internet Governance Forum
>>> (IGF)
>>> > >         and we
>>> > >         > appreciate the effort to provide remote participation for
>>> the Open
>>> > >         > Consultation, the Multi-stakeholder Advisory Group (MAG)
>>> > >         meetings, and the
>>> > >         > MAG meeting this month – February 2012 – which was opened
>>> to
>>> > >         observers.
>>> > >         >
>>> > >         > The IGC believes that Remote Participation (RP) should be
>>> an
>>> > >         integral part
>>> > >         > of Internet Governance and IGF Policy Processes. It is
>>> > >         impossible to sustain
>>> > >         > an inclusive global policy process without effective remote
>>> > >         participation.
>>> > >         > We would like to explore how we can assist in working
>>> together
>>> > >         to address
>>> > >         > the issues raised in 2008 by various stakeholders that have
>>> > >         yet to be
>>> > >         > addressed[1].
>>> > >         >
>>> > >         > The MAG and IGF Secretariats should start working with the
>>> > >         host to ensure
>>> > >         > that real time transcriptions are available for all
>>> sessions
>>> > >         and not just
>>> > >         > the Main Sessions.
>>> > >         >
>>> > >
>>> > >         from the Nairobi chair's summary document:
>>> > >
>>> > >         "The entire meeting was Webcast, with video streaming
>>> provided from
>>> > >         the main session room and audio streaming provided from all
>>> workshop
>>> > >         meeting rooms. All the main sessions and workshops had real
>>> time
>>> > >         transcription. The text transcripts and video of all
>>> meetings were
>>> > >         made available through the IGF Website."
>>> > >
>>> > >         I think it's petty to complain about technical problems with
>>> the
>>> > >         transcripts etc from the MAG meeting, bad connections happen
>>> all the
>>> > >         time (and if MAG members can't work out how to tell a group
>>> of
>>> > >         people
>>> > >         they are having problems with a connection it perhaps says
>>> more
>>> > >         about
>>> > >         them than it does about the secretariat/moderators.)
>>> > >
>>> > >         Thanks,
>>> > >
>>> > >         Adam
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >         > We would like to commend the excellent work of the
>>> technical
>>> > >         team from
>>> > >         > Politecnico di Torino, (The Polytechnic University of
>>> Turin)
>>> > >         which was
>>> > >         > originally brought by our colleague and former IGC Civil
>>> > >         Society Coordinator
>>> > >         > Vittorio Bertola.
>>> > >         >
>>> > >         > However, we would like to point out some difficulties that
>>> > >         occurred with the
>>> > >         > system during the open MAG meeting. On the third day,
>>> morning
>>> > >         session, (the
>>> > >         > second day of the open MAG meeting), remote observers were
>>> > >         effectively
>>> > >         > excluded because they had no access to live transcript.
>>> > >         >
>>> > >         >  Also MAG members trying to participate online had
>>> difficulty
>>> > >         in contacting
>>> > >         > moderators, partly because the moderators were serving more
>>> > >         than one
>>> > >         > function.
>>> > >         >
>>> > >         > We strongly urge MAG and IGF Secretariats and ourselves to
>>> > >         consider the
>>> > >         > following for the future IGF organizing work and the IGF
>>> > >         itself, and work
>>> > >         > together to bring them about:
>>> > >         >
>>> > >         > ·   Ensuring equal participation between online and offline
>>> > >         participants
>>> > >         > through planning meetings to give online and offline
>>> > >         participants an equal
>>> > >         > opportunity to participate and contribute to meetings.
>>> > >         >
>>> > >         > ·   Ensuring that there is sufficient capacity and
>>> appropriate
>>> > >         bandwidth to
>>> > >         > sustain remote participation by liaising with hosts well in
>>> > >         advance to
>>> > >         > enable greater interactions from offline participants.
>>> > >         >
>>> > >         > ·   Preparing a clear comprehensive guideline for remote
>>> > >         participation and
>>> > >         > its moderation and post session or meeting reporting for
>>> > >         meeting hosts,
>>> > >         > facilitators and chairs.
>>> > >         >
>>> > >         > ·   Clearly advertising opportunities for RP in advance of
>>> all
>>> > >         meetings,
>>> > >         > with clear guidance for participants on the opportunities
>>> to
>>> > >         engage through
>>> > >         > RP that will be available.
>>> > >         >
>>> > >         > ·Always assigning exclusive remote participation
>>> > >         coordinator/moderators (who
>>> > >         > do not have other jobs at the same time, and are
>>> responsible for
>>> > >         > interactions between the meeting’s physical
>>> > >         participants/current speaker,
>>> > >         > the Chair and the remote participants).
>>> > >         >
>>> > >         > ·   Establishing a clear procedure that would encourage
>>> remote
>>> > >         participants
>>> > >         > to intervene. Such a system is desirable both for those
>>> > >         physically present
>>> > >         > in Geneva and those observing the meeting remotely.
>>> > >         >
>>> > >         > ·   Providing as much interactivity as possible by giving
>>> remote
>>> > >         > participants to interact and engage in meetings.
>>> > >         >
>>> > >         > ·   Providing multiple methods – video, voice and text
>>> > >         channel, as well as
>>> > >         > real-time transcription and video streaming – of coverage
>>> of
>>> > >         the meeting
>>> > >         >
>>> > >         > ·   Enabling the meeting and remote participation through
>>> > >         interactive
>>> > >         > presentations access through RP.
>>> > >         >
>>> > >         > ·   Creating a select Task force or Working Group created
>>> that has
>>> > >         > representatives from the Government, Private Sector and
>>> Civil
>>> > >         Society that
>>> > >         > is dedicated to seeing improvements of Remote
>>> > >         Participation and to ensure
>>> > >         > the incorporation of critical elements that have been
>>> > >         highlighted to ensure
>>> > >         > improved remote participation processes.
>>> > >         >
>>> > >         > Because only limited funds are available for face- to
>>> > >         -face participation,
>>> > >         > this issue is crucially important to all stakeholders from
>>> all
>>> > >         > constituencies who are entitled to participate in the
>>> > >         meetings, and who wish
>>> > >         > to do so from a remote location. Meeting Chairs also play a
>>> > >         central role in
>>> > >         > creating a dynamic and inclusive environment that welcomes
>>> remote
>>> > >         > participation.
>>> > >         >
>>> > >         > We also encourage greater partnership between the
>>> governments
>>> > >         and private
>>> > >         > sector in enhancing remote participation.
>>> > >         >
>>> > >         > We have to move beyond advocacy to listing and creating
>>> > >         tangible outcomes to
>>> > >         > make improved, stable and sustainable remote participation
>>> a
>>> > >         reality.
>>> > >         >
>>> > >         > There are regions around the world where transportation is
>>> > >         extremely
>>> > >         > expensive and one such region is the Pacific which has 22
>>> > >         countries and
>>> > >         > territories. Remote participation was the only way that
>>> any of
>>> > >         these
>>> > >         > countries could access the IGF.
>>> > >         >
>>> > >         > However there is room to improve processes and create an
>>> IGF
>>> > >         culture where
>>> > >         > remote participation is prioritised through exploring
>>> tested
>>> > >         methodology.
>>> > >         >
>>> > >         >  The appropriate technical solutions need also to be
>>> explored
>>> > >         as well
>>> > >         > bandwidth and ensuring that there is uninterrupted power
>>> > >         supply and
>>> > >         > redundancy options where backup generators are critical to
>>> > >         maintain a
>>> > >         > consistent and seamless flow. The MAG and IGF Secretariats
>>> > >         should also
>>> > >         > ensure that there is sufficient and dedicated bandwidth
>>> > >         capacity to sustain
>>> > >         > the volume of traffic from remote participation.
>>> > >         >
>>> > >         > Aside from having the appropriate technical solutions and
>>> > >         should also
>>> > >         > include the following:-
>>> > >         >
>>> > >         > ·         Outreach.
>>> > >         >
>>> > >         > ·         Mapping local and regional stakeholders;
>>> > >         >
>>> > >         > ·         Coordinating with people on the ground
>>> significantly
>>> > >         before the
>>> > >         > IGF in a series of strategic roll out.
>>> > >         >
>>> > >         > ·         Creation of Guidelines for Meeting Chairs and
>>> > >         Moderators whilst
>>> > >         > noting the limitations.
>>> > >         >
>>> > >         > ·         Identifying how the private sector, civil society
>>> > >         and governments
>>> > >         > can be better involved in the remote hubs etc.
>>> > >         >
>>> > >         > ·         Encourage greater collaboration between the IGF
>>> RPWG
>>> > >         and national,
>>> > >         > sub regional and regional IGFs.
>>> > >         >
>>> > >         > We also express our support of the IGF RPWG which published
>>> > >         guidelines and
>>> > >         > recommendations for remote participation and IGF 2011 WS-67
>>> > >         participants
>>> > >         > prepared a draft of e-participation principles.
>>> > >         >
>>> > >         > Ends
>>> > >         >
>>> > >         >
>>> > >         >
>>> > >         >
>>> > >         >
>>> > >         >
>>> > >         > ________________________________
>>> > >         >
>>> > >         > [1] http://wiki.igf-online.net/wiki/IGF_Virtual_Community
>>> > >         >
>>> > >         >
>>> > >         >
>>> > >         > On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 1:02 PM, Deirdre Williams
>>> > >         > <williams.deirdre at gmail.com
>>> > >         <mailto:williams.deirdre at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> > >         >>
>>> > >         >> Dear Sala,
>>> > >         >> I have been unavoidably out of contact all day, and am
>>> just
>>> > >         catching up
>>> > >         >> with reading the messages.
>>> > >         >> I am not clear which document you want me to send.
>>> > >         >> I have attached a word copy of my response yesterday,
>>> > >         although from
>>> > >         >> reading the discussion that has perhaps been superseded
>>> > >         during the
>>> > >         >> discussions today?
>>> > >         >> Please let me know as I would be delighted to help.
>>> > >         >> De
>>> > >         >>
>>> > >         >>
>>> > >         >> On 22 February 2012 14:15, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro
>>> > >         >> <salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com
>>> > >         <mailto:salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> > >         >>>
>>> > >         >>> Dear Deirdre,
>>> > >         >>>
>>> > >         >>> As you know our initial statement was used by the civil
>>> > >         society component
>>> > >         >>> of the CSTDWG as advised by Marilia.
>>> > >         >>>
>>> > >         >>> If you could please send it in a word document that
>>> would be
>>> > >         super
>>> > >         >>> helpful and easy to put up on the Statement Workspace. We
>>> > >         will also be
>>> > >         >>> sending our Statement to the IGF Secretariat.
>>> > >         >>>
>>> > >         >>> Kind Regards,
>>> > >         >>>
>>> > >         >>>
>>> > >         >>>
>>> > >         >>> --
>>> > >         >>> Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala
>>> > >         >>>
>>> > >         >>> Tweeter: @SalanietaT
>>> > >         >>> Skype:Salanieta.Tamanikaiwaimaro
>>> > >         >>> Cell: +679 998 2851 <tel:%2B679%20998%202851>
>>> > >         >>>
>>> > >         >>>
>>> > >         >>>
>>> > >         >>
>>> > >         >>
>>> > >         >>
>>> > >         >> --
>>> > >         >> “The fundamental cure for poverty is not money but
>>> knowledge"
>>> > >         Sir William
>>> > >         >> Arthur Lewis, Nobel Prize Economics, 1979
>>> > >         >
>>> > >         >
>>> > >         >
>>> > >         >
>>> > >         > --
>>> > >         > Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala
>>> > >         >
>>> > >         > Tweeter: @SalanietaT
>>> > >         > Skype:Salanieta.Tamanikaiwaimaro
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>>> > >         >
>>> > >         >
>>> > >         >
>>> > >         >
>>> > >         >
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