[governance] Remote Participation
Baudouin SCHOMBE
b.schombe at gmail.com
Thu Feb 23 04:16:17 EST 2012
I thank you most sincerely for these wishes to go straight to my heart.
I am still very attached and you express all my friendship.
SCHOMBE BAUDOUIN
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2012/2/23 Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro <
salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com>
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 2:26 AM, Baudouin SCHOMBE <b.schombe at gmail.com>wrote:
>
> Happy Birthday Schombe!
>
> I agree in principle. In my opinion, I think it is necessary to launch the
>> topics of discussion that we can relay to the mailing lists at local, sub
>> regional and regional levels. This will prearrange RP. And if that is the
>> case, these discussion topics may be sent two months prior to that national
>> actors can react.
>>
>
> This is excellent. Deirdre had also suggested having people volunteer to
> assist in Remote Participation. Be good if people empower themselves to the
> WG to see how they can help but more importantly, what Schombe is
> highlighting to identify core teams at national and sub regional and
> regional IGFs etc. They can also prepare in advance to scout out venues,
> and access capacities and if the private sector got involved to sponsor
> bandwidth etc etc. It will be good to fully activate the multistakeholder
> collaborative approach in this regard. If there are institutions who can
> volunteer to run trainings on moderation etc, that will be great.
>
>> In our mailing lists, we enrolled participants with skills and proven
>> expertise can contribute actively to the topics scheduled.
>>
>
> +1
>
>> The mailing list has the advantage of allowing the actors to react
>> wherever they may be.
>>
>> A very interesting proposal by Jovan is that each level of national IGF,
>> it is proposed that people can be trained to the moderation of discussion
>> for RP.
>>
>> These individuals trained can also help to summarize the discussion by
>> including the observations at the local level.
>>
>> Absolutely, it is good to work towards this. If there are a group of
>> people who are interested to set up an ad hoc group to discuss offline how
>> to tease out options etc and bring back to the list for feedback and with
>> most of us spread across the various regions, we should be able to advocate
>> "meaningful participation" in a more cohesive manner that enables equality
>> in participation for both onsite and offsite participants.
>>
>
>
>
>> SCHOMBE BAUDOUIN
>>
>> Téléphone mobile:+243998983491
>> email : b.schombe at gmail.com
>> skype : b.schombe
>> blog : http://akimambo.unblog.fr
>> Site Web : www.ticafrica.net
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> 2012/2/22 Ginger Paque <gpaque at gmail.com>
>>
>>> Dear Jovan, De, Anriette, all,
>>>
>>> I write this as a member of the IGF remote participation working group,
>>> but not FOR the IGF RPWG. These are my views.
>>>
>>> I think that this discussion on RP strategy and policy is extremely
>>> important, and should be a priority for the IGC and CS, as well as the
>>> other IGF stakeholders and the IGF secretariat. In particular, a policy for
>>> RP, including chairing and moderation, as noted by Anriette and Jovan, is
>>> indispensable, as is, I reiterate, the need to institutionalize RP as an
>>> integral part of the IGF meeting process, perhaps using Anriettes
>>> suggestions as a foundation. As Anriette notes, a key element is the
>>> presence of an on site remote moderator, a role usually played by a
>>> volunteer (Avri, myself, Seiiti, maybe Bill Drake? I cannot remember... and
>>> others) in preparatory meetings, and until now, coordinated by the RPWG in
>>> formal IGF meetings.
>>>
>>> I have to admit, I was stunned by the lack of attention given to
>>> implementation of RP during the OC last week, particularly given the
>>> concern about similarly important details such as the venue/meeting room
>>> difficulties. I wonder if this is because RP is assumed to be an
>>> institutional part of the process, when in fact, it is not yet recognized
>>> as such? Do we take it for granted? Is that why we were amazed and appalled
>>> by the problems during the MAG meeting? I think those problems occurred
>>> precisely because RP is not an institutional part of the meeting process.
>>> RP is as indispensable as the live transcript has now become, and a remote
>>> moderator is as important as other organizational positions to make it
>>> work.
>>>
>>> Without an on site remote moderator, there is no interface between the
>>> on site proceedings and the remote participation. No matter how hard the
>>> chair tries, he/she cannot be omniscient, nor omnipotent, controlling
>>> factors in the meeting room and on a global network. Remote panel
>>> moderators as a required element of each IGF workshop has shown that this
>>> role is indispensable.
>>>
>>> The RPWG has never had a 'budget'. Fortunately many of us find funding
>>> for attendance at meetings for other activities, and are able to
>>> collaborate on site. I was particularly fortunate to be able to play double
>>> roles during my term as IGC co-coordinator and/or Diplo staff. For the most
>>> part, we are self-funded, sharing expenses among us. The IGF RPWG have had
>>> some funding from DiploFoundation, which was much appreciated. The host
>>> country and IGF secretariat coordinate funding for tech (webcast,
>>> equipment) at the meetings, but as you know, that is not an easy matter
>>> nowadays.
>>>
>>> The IGF RPWG works to implement inclusive RP. We are purposely not a
>>> dynamic coalition or formal group, because we prefer to prioritize work on
>>> practical implementation, rather than policy and process. We are willing
>>> and happy to collaborate in any way we can, particularly in training
>>> materials, elaboration of guidelines and support of remote hubs.
>>>
>>> We plan to submit input to the IGF Secretariat, and will post a copy to
>>> the IGC list as well for your feedback.
>>>
>>> Thanks to everyone who has paved the way for progress on Remote
>>> Participation in the IGF--Jeremy, my present and past colleagues on the IGF
>>> RPWG, and others who have long pointed out this need, have given important
>>> impetus, and we must keep the forward momentum going!
>>>
>>> Saludos, Ginger
>>>
>>> **
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 22 February 2012 08:17, Jovan Kurbalija <jovank at diplomacy.edu> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thanks Anriette for these key observations! The role of the chair is
>>>> essential. Good news is that you pointed to a make-or-break point for RP.
>>>> Bad news is that possibilities to improve it are limited. We should prepare
>>>> guidelines for chairs (a good starting point could be RP Working Group
>>>> guidelines for moderators). But we have to be aware of the limitations.
>>>>
>>>> The role of the chair is already demanding in face-to-face meetings,
>>>> where he has to feel the room, give tempo to the flow (a musical talent
>>>> helps), be aware of the "power of the unsaid" (quietness, absence, tacit
>>>> communication). A good chair has ToR for "diplomatic superman": assertive
>>>> but not dictatorial, open but not indiscrimante, , smart but not
>>>> intellectually dominant, aware of details but not too pedantic, ...and the
>>>> list can continue. He needs a emotional intelligence. Experience helps.
>>>> Ultimately, he has to be credible.
>>>>
>>>> All of this makes training for chairing very difficult. I can confirm
>>>> this, based on Diplo's 20 years of experience in diplomatic training. It is
>>>> slightly easier in the formal diplomatic context where you can train chairs
>>>> how to use procedural tools (although that could be a dangerous tool).
>>>>
>>>> What can we do for IGF chairs?
>>>> - prepare guidelines as repository of collective wisdom with realistic
>>>> expectations about their effectiveness
>>>> - start nudging chairs towards a new practice: highlight good examples,
>>>> where possible, select the most RP-friendly chair at the next IGF meeting,
>>>> collect feedback and experience. Aldo, our resident contrarian, introduced
>>>> the concept of nudging in our didactics. It works wonders!
>>>> - increase awareness in remote hubs and the general IGF public about
>>>> the role of the chair (pressure on this position, limited time management).
>>>>
>>>> Now a slight zoom out. I am a strong believer in incremental changes in
>>>> social dynamics. The IGF RPWG has done an amazing job over the last 5
>>>> years. Marilia, Bernard, Ginger, Raquel, Cha, Rafik and others have made
>>>> this possible. One of my images of the IGF meetings is seeing these people
>>>> running between workshop rooms (logging kilometers of distance at every
>>>> IGF). Ultimately, this is what makes RP at the IGF unique and successful.
>>>> Technology is important, as we realised last week when it did not work
>>>> well, but the human input is decisive. We were fortunate that the IGF
>>>> secretariat and UN DESA were open to RP innovations. Every year the IGF
>>>> RPWG started with training of remote moderators many weeks ahead of the
>>>> meeting, they discuss with remote hubs, they nudge (again) people to
>>>> participate, they liaison with the secretariat, they and the secretariat
>>>> work behind the scenes....
>>>>
>>>> I do not know why the IGF RPWG is quiet in this discussion. I know that
>>>> they are modest (big achievements, low rhetoric), but they should speak out
>>>> more for the sake of improvement. Ultimately, we should build on their
>>>> experience. We, as the IGF community, have neglected to recognize *
>>>> enough* the great success of RP and need to give it another push
>>>> without making it too formal (a risk to kill innovation). RP at IGF 2.0
>>>> needs mix of recognition, funding (RPWG people are/were volunteers for work
>>>> which is highly professional) and the ownership of the IGF community.
>>>>
>>>> I hope to hear from the working group people! More will follow on
>>>> Anriette's idea for guidelines.....
>>>>
>>>> Regards, Jovan
>>>>
>>>> ********
>>>>
>>>> *Email: *jovank at diplomacy.edu *| **Twitter:* @jovankurbalija ****
>>>>
>>>> ** **
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>> On 2/22/12 8:47 AM, Anriette Esterhuysen wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi all
>>>>
>>>> Based on my observation at the meetings here in Geneva in the last week
>>>> I think one of the main problems is that meeting chairs need to play a
>>>> central role.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> This is partly covered by this text that is in the document below:
>>>>
>>>> Preparing a clear comprehensive guideline for remote participation
>>>> and its moderation and post session or meeting reporting for meeting
>>>> hosts, facilitators and chairs.
>>>>
>>>> We do need the guidelines.. but we also need more formality to elevate
>>>> the status of RM. Meeting chairs should formally welcoming remote
>>>> participants, naming them so that everyone who is physically present is
>>>> aware that they are part of the meeting, and actively encouraging them
>>>> to participate.
>>>>
>>>> Budgeting is also key. Does the RM working group have a draft budget
>>>> that can be given to meeting organisers? They need to plan in advance
>>>> for the additional expense involved.
>>>>
>>>> Anriette
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 21/02/12 23:10, Deirdre Williams wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Dear Sala and everyone,
>>>>
>>>> I would suggest one change to smooth the argument - move the fifth
>>>> paragraph to follow the second - see below.
>>>>
>>>> Otherwise I still believe that we need to make the "we must have remote
>>>> participation" argument as forcefully as possible, and with that in mind
>>>> I would put the suggestions - the paragraphs that say 'how' in a
>>>> separate statement. In this case the statement would close at paragraph
>>>> 8, with paragraph 15 moved up as the conclusion. I haven't done that to
>>>> the document because no one seems to agree with me :-)
>>>>
>>>> Best wishes to all and good luck to those on the front line in Geneva
>>>> De
>>>>
>>>> 1. We would like to reiterate that remote participation is a crucial
>>>> part of organizing the Internet Governance Forum (IGF) and we appreciate
>>>> the effort to provide remote participation for the Open Consultation,
>>>> the Multi-stakeholder Advisory Group (MAG) meetings, and the MAG meeting
>>>> this month – February 2012 – which was opened to observers.
>>>>
>>>> 2. The IGC believes that Remote Participation (RP) should be an integral
>>>> part of Internet Governance and IGF Policy Processes. It is impossible
>>>> to sustain an inclusive global policy process without effective remote
>>>> participation.
>>>>
>>>> 3 was 5. The MAG and IGF Secretariats should start working with the
>>>> host to ensure that real time transcriptions are available for all
>>>> sessions and not just the Main Sessions.
>>>>
>>>> 4 was 3. We would like to commend the excellent work of the technical
>>>> team from Politecnico di Torino, (The Polytechnic University of Turin)
>>>> which was originally brought by our colleague and former IGC Civil
>>>> Society Coordinator Vittorio Bertola.
>>>>
>>>> 5 was 4. However, we would like to point out some difficulties that
>>>> occurred with the system during the open MAG meeting. On the third day,
>>>> morning session, (the second day of the open MAG meeting), remote
>>>> observers were effectively excluded because they had no access to live
>>>> transcript.
>>>>
>>>> 6. Also MAG members trying to participate online had difficulty in
>>>> contacting moderators, partly because the moderators were serving more
>>>> than one function.
>>>>
>>>> 7. We strongly urge MAG and IGF Secretariats and ourselves to consider
>>>> the following for the future IGF organizing work and the IGF itself, and
>>>> work together to bring them about:
>>>>
>>>> · Ensuring equal participation between online and offline participants
>>>> through planning meetings to give online and offline participants an
>>>> equal opportunity to participate and contribute to meetings.
>>>>
>>>> · Ensuring that there is sufficient capacity and appropriate bandwidth
>>>> to sustain remote participation by liaising with hosts well in advance
>>>> to enable greater interactions from offline participants.
>>>>
>>>> · Preparing a clear comprehensive guideline for remote participation
>>>> and its moderation and post session or meeting reporting for meeting
>>>> hosts, facilitators and chairs.
>>>>
>>>> · Clearly advertising opportunities for RP in advance of all meetings,
>>>> with clear guidance for participants on the opportunities to engage
>>>> through RP that will be available.
>>>>
>>>> · Always assigning exclusive remote participation
>>>> coordinator/moderators (who do not have other jobs at the same time, and
>>>> are responsible for interactions between the meeting’s physical
>>>> participants/current speaker, the Chair and the remote participants).
>>>>
>>>> · Establishing a clear procedure that would encourage remote
>>>> participants to intervene. Such a system is desirable both for those
>>>> physically present in Geneva and those observing the meeting remotely.
>>>>
>>>> · Providing as much interactivity as possible by giving remote
>>>> participants to interact and engage in meetings.
>>>>
>>>> · Providing multiple methods – video, voice and text channel, as well
>>>> as real-time transcription and video streaming – of coverage of the meeting
>>>>
>>>> · Enabling the meeting and remote participation through interactive
>>>> presentations access through RP.
>>>>
>>>> · Creating a select Task force or Working Group created that has
>>>> representatives from the Government, Private Sector and Civil Society
>>>> that is dedicated to seeing improvements of Remote Participation and to
>>>> ensure the incorporation of critical elements that have been highlighted
>>>> to ensure improved remote participation processes.
>>>>
>>>> 8. Because only limited funds are available for face- to -face
>>>> participation, this issue is crucially important to all stakeholders
>>>> from all constituencies who are entitled to participate in the meetings,
>>>> and who wish to do so from a remote location.
>>>>
>>>> 9. We also encourage greater partnership between the governments and
>>>> private sector in enhancing remote participation.
>>>>
>>>> 10. We have to move beyond advocacy to listing and creating tangible
>>>> outcomes to make improved, stable and sustainable remote participation a
>>>> reality.
>>>>
>>>> 11. There are regions around the world where transportation is extremely
>>>> expensive and one such region is the Pacific which has 22 countries and
>>>> territories. Remote participation was the only way that any of these
>>>> countries could access the IGF.
>>>>
>>>> 12. However there is room to improve processes and create an IGF culture
>>>> where remote participation is prioritised through exploring tested
>>>> methodology.
>>>>
>>>> 13. The appropriate technical solutions need also to be explored as well
>>>> bandwidth and ensuring that there is uninterrupted power supply and
>>>> redundancy options where back up generators are critical to maintain a
>>>> consistent and seamless flow. The MAG and IGF Secretariats should also
>>>> ensure that there is sufficient and dedicated bandwidth capacity to
>>>> sustain the volume of traffic from remote participation.
>>>>
>>>> 14. Aside from having the appropriate technical solutions and should
>>>> also include the following:-
>>>>
>>>> · Outreach;
>>>>
>>>> · Mapping local and regional stakeholders;
>>>>
>>>> · Coordinating with people on the ground significantly before the IGF in
>>>> a series of strategic roll out;
>>>>
>>>> · Identifying how the private sector, civil society and governments can
>>>> be better involved in the remote hubs etc
>>>>
>>>> 15. We also express our support of the IGF RPWG which published
>>>> guidelines and recommendations for remote participation and IGF 2011
>>>> WS-67 participants prepared a draft of e-participation principles<http://discuss.diplomacy.edu/e-participation/?p=1> <http://discuss.diplomacy.edu/e-participation/?p=1>.<http://discuss.diplomacy.edu/e-participation/?p=1> <http://discuss.diplomacy.edu/e-participation/?p=1>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 21 February 2012 15:46, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro
>>>> <salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com<mailto:salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com> <salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Dear All,
>>>>
>>>> Thank you for your contributions and comments. As you can imagine,
>>>> more than 48 hours has passed since putting the Statement to the
>>>> list for feedback and rough consensus. We have tried as best as
>>>> possible to include your comments into the Statement on the
>>>> Workspace. Thank you Izumi for initiating the process and De for
>>>> consolidating the text and numerous others who have contributed.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.igcaucus.org/digressit/archives/32
>>>>
>>>> The Civil Society members of the CSTD can alert others to the IGC
>>>> statement. Whilst we are wrapping up the Statement to enable Izumi
>>>> and Marilia to take our perspectives, we should encourage dialogue
>>>> on how we can actively contribute in this area.
>>>>
>>>> If there are volunteers who want to be more involved perhaps you
>>>> could engage in further dialogue on how to help out. I have copied
>>>> the text below.
>>>>
>>>> Warm Regards,
>>>> Sala
>>>>
>>>> URL: http://www.igcaucus.org/digressit/archives/32
>>>>
>>>> We would like to reiterate that remote participation is a crucial
>>>> part of organizing the Internet Governance Forum (IGF) and we
>>>> appreciate the effort to provide remote participation for the Open
>>>> Consultation, the Multi-stakeholder Advisory Group (MAG) meetings,
>>>> and the MAG meeting this month – February 2012 – which was opened to
>>>> observers.
>>>>
>>>> The IGC believes that Remote Participation should be an integral
>>>> part of Internet Governance and IGF Policy Processes. It is
>>>> impossible to sustain an inclusive global policy process without
>>>> effective remote participation.
>>>>
>>>> We would like to commend the excellent work of the technical team
>>>> from Politecnico di Torino, (The Polytechnic University of Turin)
>>>> which was originally brought by our colleague and former IGC Civil
>>>> Society Coordinator Vittorio Bertola.
>>>>
>>>> However, we would like to point out some difficulties that occurred
>>>> with the system during the open MAG meeting. On the third day,
>>>> morning session, (the second day of the open MAG meeting), remote
>>>> observers were effectively excluded because they had no access to
>>>> live transcript.
>>>>
>>>> The MAG and IGF Secretariats should start working with the host to
>>>> ensure that real time transcriptions are available for all sessions
>>>> and not just the Main Sessions.
>>>>
>>>> Also MAG members trying to participate online had difficulty in
>>>> contacting moderators, partly because the moderators were serving
>>>> more than one function.
>>>>
>>>> We strongly urge MAG and IGF Secretariats and ourselves to consider
>>>> the following for the future IGF organizing work and the IGF itself,
>>>> and work together to bring them about:
>>>>
>>>> * Ensuring equal participation between online and offline
>>>> participants through planning meetings to give online and
>>>> offline participants an equal opportunity to participate and
>>>> contribute to meetings.
>>>>
>>>> * Ensuring that there is sufficient capacity and appropriate
>>>> bandwidth to sustain remote participation by liaising with
>>>> hosts well in advance to enable greater interactions from
>>>> offline participants.
>>>>
>>>> * Preparing a clear comprehensive guideline for remote
>>>> participation and its moderation and post session or meeting
>>>> reporting for meeting hosts, facilitators and chairs.
>>>>
>>>> * Clearly advertising opportunities for RP in advance of all
>>>> meetings, with clear guidance for participants on the
>>>> opportunities to engage through RP that will be available.
>>>>
>>>> * Always assigning exclusive remote participation
>>>> coordinator/moderators (who do not have other jobs at the same
>>>> time, and are responsible for interactions between the
>>>> meeting’s physical participants/current speaker, the Chair and
>>>> the remote participants).
>>>>
>>>> * Establishing a clear procedure that would encourage remote
>>>> participants to intervene. Such a system is desirable both for
>>>> those physically present in Geneva and those observing the
>>>> meeting remotely.
>>>>
>>>> * Providing as much interactivity as possible by giving remote
>>>> participants to interact and engage in meetings.
>>>>
>>>> * Providing multiple methods – video, voice and text channel, as
>>>> well as real-time transcription and video streaming – of
>>>> coverage of the meeting
>>>>
>>>> * Enabling the meeting and remote participation through
>>>> interactive presentations access through RP.
>>>>
>>>> * Creating a select Task force or Working Group created that has
>>>> representatives from the Government, Private Sector and Civil
>>>> Society that is dedicated to seeing improvements of Remote
>>>> Participation and to ensure the incorporation of critical
>>>> elements that have been highlighted to ensure improved remote
>>>> participation processes.
>>>>
>>>> Because only limited funds are available for face- to -face
>>>> participation, this issue is crucially important to all stakeholders
>>>> from all constituencies who are entitled to participate in the
>>>> meetings, and who wish to do so from a remote location.
>>>>
>>>> We also encourage greater partnership between the governments and
>>>> private sector in enhancing remote participation.
>>>>
>>>> We have to move beyond advocacy to listing and creating tangible
>>>> outcomes to make improved, stable and sustainable remote
>>>> participation a reality.
>>>>
>>>> There are regions around the world where transportation is extremely
>>>> expensive and one such region is the Pacific which has 22 countries
>>>> and territories. Remote participation was the only way that any of
>>>> these countries could access the IGF.
>>>>
>>>> However there is room to improve processes and create an IGF culture
>>>> where remote participation is prioritised through exploring tested
>>>> methodology.
>>>>
>>>> The appropriate technical solutions need also to be explored as well
>>>> bandwidth and ensuring that there is uninterrupted power supply and
>>>> redundancy options where back up generators are critical to maintain
>>>> a consistent and seamless flow. The MAG and IGF Secretariats should
>>>> also ensure that there is sufficient and dedicated bandwidth
>>>> capacity to sustain the volume of traffic from remote participation.
>>>>
>>>> Aside from having the appropriate technical solutions and should
>>>> also include the following:-
>>>>
>>>> · Outreach;
>>>>
>>>> · Mapping local and regional stakeholders;
>>>>
>>>> · Coordinating with people on the ground significantly before the
>>>> IGF in a series of strategic roll out;
>>>>
>>>> · Identifying how the private sector, civil society and governments
>>>> can be better involved in the remote hubs etc
>>>>
>>>> We also express our support of the IGF RPWG which published
>>>> guidelines and recommendations for remote participation and IGF 2011
>>>> WS-67 participants prepared a draft of e-participation principles
>>>> <http://discuss.diplomacy.edu/e-participation/?p=1> <http://discuss.diplomacy.edu/e-participation/?p=1>.
>>>> <http://discuss.diplomacy.edu/e-participation/?p=1> <http://discuss.diplomacy.edu/e-participation/?p=1>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 at 1:08 AM, Roland Perry
>>>> <roland at internetpolicyagency.com
>>>> <mailto:roland at internetpolicyagency.com> <roland at internetpolicyagency.com>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> In message <46B69E1D-CF91-4E31-A9CC- 4DD306D57CB0 at privaterra.org
>>>> <mailto:46B69E1D-CF91-4E31-A9CC-4DD306D57CB0 at privaterra.org> <46B69E1D-CF91-4E31-A9CC-4DD306D57CB0 at privaterra.org>>,
>>>> at 11:21:13 on Sun, 19 Feb 2012, Robert Guerra
>>>> <rguerra at privaterra.org <mailto:rguerra at privaterra.org> <rguerra at privaterra.org>> writes
>>>>
>>>> What type of assistance and/or support will be provided -
>>>> well, hopefully we'll find out soon from the Secretariat
>>>> and/or Google
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Do they have a product which competes with the current market
>>>> leaders from Cisco and Adobe? What the IGF needs is something
>>>> which works, of course - historically their tools have been
>>>> allegedly very fussy about exactly what version of 'flash' or
>>>> whatever you have installed, and that sort of thing is half the
>>>> battle.
>>>> --
>>>> Roland Perry
>>>>
>>>>
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