[governance] Yes! Hands off the Internet!

[Suresh Ramasubramanian]

Do you expect china, Russia or the Arab states to govern in the global public interest?

--srs (iPad)

On 29-Dec-2012, at 13:57, "michael gurstein" <gurstein at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Michael,
> 
> My point in including Google in the "rogues gallery" is simply to highlight
> the central role that Google was playing in the recent Internet
> Freedom/Hands off the Internet campaign... My point conerning Facebook is
> linked to the fact that FB because of its very size and scope (market
> dominance?) is taking on (for some at least) a quasi official status (the
> official election results in Ghana were first announced on FB for example).
> 
> But overall my intention was to point to the hypocrisy of the overwhelming
> campaigns from certain governments and certain elements of the private
> sector, civil society, and the technical community concerning "hands off the
> Internet" when it comes from certain directions (such as the governments of
> China or Russia) while the same folks choose to ignore (or at least draw no
> connection with) quite blatant and parallel intrusions rather closer to
> home.
> 
> The issue of course, for those with a sincere interest in the well-being of
> the Internet, is not "hands off the Internet" but rather to develop means
> for ensuring that the Internet is "managed" in the global public interest by
> all parties.
> 
> M
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael Leibrandt [mailto:michael_leibrandt at web.de] 
> Sent: Friday, December 28, 2012 11:46 PM
> To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org; michael gurstein
> Subject: Re: [governance] Yes! Hands off the Internet!
> 
> Hi Michael,
> 
> If your local car dealer rejects to sell you a car, or if the local night
> club doesn't let you in, there isn't much you can do about it. Private
> providers of goods and services are generally free to decide whom to serve. 
> At least until it becomes an act of discrimination, e. g. against blacks,
> gays or jews. Or if the provider has a monopoly (clearly not the case for
> Google or Facebook), or has such a strong market position that it can
> actually control the market.
> 
> So to compare government action and company behaviour is quite difficult. 
> But there is already enough hypocrisy to think about with regard to
> stakeholders of the same category ;-)
> 
> Michael, Berlin
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "michael gurstein" <gurstein at gmail.com>
> To: <governance at lists.igcaucus.org>
> Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2012 12:17 AM
> Subject: [governance] Yes! Hands off the Internet!
> 
> 
>> (from today's various Internet news feeds....
>> 
>> Yes, for sure, these hands off the Internet.
>> 
>> 
> http://www.worldcrunch.com/culture-society/china-tightens-internet-control-b
>> 
> ans-anonymity-allows-government-to-delete-posts/censorship-online-twitter-we
>> ibo-xinhua-/c3s10510/#.UN2qcI7896I
>> http://tinyurl.com/cryyx5l
>> 
>> And these
>> 
> http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20121228/07170621508/fisa-is-renewed-with-a
>> ll-its-problems-still-intact.shtml
>> http://tinyurl.com/d7trx4j
>> 
>> And these
>> 
> http://torrentfreak.com/google-removed-50-million-pirate-search-results-this
>> -year-121228/
>> http://tinyurl.com/d7trx4j
>> 
>> And these
>> 
> http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2012/12/washingtons-blog-facebook-censors-pro
>> minent-political-critics.html
>> http://tinyurl.com/cn72l3v
>> 
>> Maybe a New Year's Resolution: Enough with the hypocrisy!
>> 
>> M
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 
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